Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
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Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
So I have a 3/4" x 30" by 52" walnut panel. When I glued it I did not get my edges straight so my boards are slightly staggered. Like 1/16 of an inch or so. My rough cut is 52" but my final cut is 51". So I have an inch to play with. How would you guys recommend me getting a square cut along one of those edges so I can squarely cut the other side?
Kevin Collins
1x Mark 7 - 520
2x Mark 5 - 510
1x 1956 Mark 5 - 500 in need of restoration
1x Mark 7 - 520
2x Mark 5 - 510
1x 1956 Mark 5 - 500 in need of restoration
Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
I presume we're talking cutting this on a Mark, I imagine many are thinking 'perfect job for a track saw.' IIWM I'd try the guide strip method. Clamp, tack, or two-sided tape a piece of stock square on one of the uneven ends and use that piece against a rip fence to cut the other end parallel to the fence. Then use that end against the fence and finish the other. (Full disclosure - I haven't had occasion to do this on that large of a piece.)
- David
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Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
David,DLB wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 8:42 pm I presume we're talking cutting this on a Mark, I imagine many are thinking 'perfect job for a track saw.' IIWM I'd try the guide strip method. Clamp, tack, or two-sided tape a piece of stock square on one of the uneven ends and use that piece against a rip fence to cut the other end parallel to the fence. Then use that end against the fence and finish the other. (Full disclosure - I haven't had occasion to do this on that large of a piece.)
- David
Good suggestion...yeah I was waiting for someone else to comment first. My suggestion was going to be to use a track saw if you have one because they excel at exactly this kind of task. That size panel isn't too large, but still unwieldy enough that it may be difficult to get a clean cut without any burn marks on the Mark V. Not saying it can't be done, and I am sure many SS owners have done so before, but it isn't fun to do given the short depth of the main table on the Mark V and having to setup extension tables.
Even if you don't have a tracksaw you can still do it with a regular old circular saw and a board/guard rail butted up against it. Just make sure you have a good quality blade in it or you will be doing a lot of sanding and cleanup afterwards.
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Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
Yep, I’m in the track saw camp on this one. Given the workpiece size and aspect ratio, the only way I’d try that cut on a Mark V is with a monster crosscut sled like J.S. Burger’s. John, can your sled handle a workpiece this large?
If I didn’t have a track saw or a monster sled, I’d make the cut with a router. Just clamp a straight guide board across tbe end of the panel, square and at the appropriate offset distance, and run the router base against it. I’d also clamp a backup board against the workpiece edge where the router bit will exit, to prevent blow-out.
RFGuy just posted this idea while I was typing, but if I didn’t have a router, I’d make a DIY guide track for a circular saw. With a good blade, this is arguably a better tool for the job than a router. But it’s also more work, unless you already have the track.
If I didn’t have a track saw or a monster sled, I’d make the cut with a router. Just clamp a straight guide board across tbe end of the panel, square and at the appropriate offset distance, and run the router base against it. I’d also clamp a backup board against the workpiece edge where the router bit will exit, to prevent blow-out.
RFGuy just posted this idea while I was typing, but if I didn’t have a router, I’d make a DIY guide track for a circular saw. With a good blade, this is arguably a better tool for the job than a router. But it’s also more work, unless you already have the track.
Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
Good stuff guys thanks. I hadn't thought of using a router or circular saw... There would be way more control with kind of set up. Thanks for the suggestions.
Kevin Collins
1x Mark 7 - 520
2x Mark 5 - 510
1x 1956 Mark 5 - 500 in need of restoration
1x Mark 7 - 520
2x Mark 5 - 510
1x 1956 Mark 5 - 500 in need of restoration
Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
The size and weight of that kind of panel make it quite precarious to cut on a Mark V. Can it be done? Yes. Can it be done safely? Debatable. It sounds like you need to square the ends so a crosscut sled is ideal but just feeding it into the small main table is a challenge. Even a decent size, dedicated table saw would be a bit tricky, though easy on a big sliding tablesaw machine. You could also try to rip it (with adjustment to the one end to make it square) but be very careful with this because it doesn't take much to get the panel out of alignment and produce a kickback event. I forgot about using a router and that is a great suggestion. Safest approaches in my mind are tracksaw, circular saw + straight edge or router + straight edge. Good luck. Stay safe.
P.S. You need something like this if you want to cut that size panel safely on a Mark V:
viewtopic.php?p=188041#p188041
P.S. You need something like this if you want to cut that size panel safely on a Mark V:
viewtopic.php?p=188041#p188041
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Mark V 520 (Bought New '98) | 4" jointer | 6" beltsander | 12" planer | bandsaw | router table | speed reducer | univ. tool rest
Porter Cable 12" Compound Miter Saw | Rikon 8" Low Speed Bench Grinder w/CBN wheels | Jessem Clear-Cut TS™ Stock Guides
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DC3300 | Shopvac w/ClearVue CV06 Mini Cyclone | JDS AirTech 2000 | Sundstrom PAPR | Dylos DC1100 Pro particulate monitor
Mark V 520 (Bought New '98) | 4" jointer | 6" beltsander | 12" planer | bandsaw | router table | speed reducer | univ. tool rest
Porter Cable 12" Compound Miter Saw | Rikon 8" Low Speed Bench Grinder w/CBN wheels | Jessem Clear-Cut TS™ Stock Guides
Festool (Emerald): DF 500 Q | RO 150 FEQ | OF 1400 EQ | TS 55 REQ | CT 26 E
DC3300 | Shopvac w/ClearVue CV06 Mini Cyclone | JDS AirTech 2000 | Sundstrom PAPR | Dylos DC1100 Pro particulate monitor
Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
That 1/16 lip might provide a guide to run along the outside table edge..though it seems a bit thin. You could add a straight edge
on the bottom of your board and use the table itself as the guide.
Like this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V-9h3mDN0k
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on the bottom of your board and use the table itself as the guide.
Like this :
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2V-9h3mDN0k
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Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
KCollins,
As others have already suggested I believe a track saw or circular saw and straight edge would be the best way to go for the length of the panel you are working with. Even though I can do the setup RFGuy shows in the picture above I would not try cutting it that way as my first option. Too easy to get that large a piece out of alignment. I have a circular saw and straight edge guide I would go to first. If I was cutting the 30" to width than I would go with the Shopsmith.
As others have already suggested I believe a track saw or circular saw and straight edge would be the best way to go for the length of the panel you are working with. Even though I can do the setup RFGuy shows in the picture above I would not try cutting it that way as my first option. Too easy to get that large a piece out of alignment. I have a circular saw and straight edge guide I would go to first. If I was cutting the 30" to width than I would go with the Shopsmith.
Russ
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Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
Yes it can. With the blade raised just enough for 3/4" stock it will do 33" wide panels.BuckeyeDennis wrote: ↑Mon Oct 17, 2022 10:50 pm Yep, I’m in the track saw camp on this one. Given the workpiece size and aspect ratio, the only way I’d try that cut on a Mark V is with a monster crosscut sled like J.S. Burger’s. John, can your sled handle a workpiece this large?
If I didn’t have a track saw or a monster sled, I’d make the cut with a router. Just clamp a straight guide board across tbe end of the panel, square and at the appropriate offset distance, and run the router base against it. I’d also clamp a backup board against the workpiece edge where the router bit will exit, to prevent blow-out.
RFGuy just posted this idea while I was typing, but if I didn’t have a router, I’d make a DIY guide track for a circular saw. With a good blade, this is arguably a better tool for the job than a router. But it’s also more work, unless you already have the track.
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Re: Long Cross Cut / Squaring Question
my vote is a saw and a guide . I would use a knife line if you need to be exact . stay off the line just about 1/64 or so and then sand or use a hand plane and take it down to the line like old school if you want to show off your skills ?? :}
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