Why the name “Mark”?
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Why the name “Mark”?
Anybody know? Just curious.
1985 Mark V upgraded to 520 PowerPro. Shopsmith cast iron table bandsaw, jointer, belt sander, and 60's vintage 610 jigsaw SPT's. Makita 2040 15" planer, JessEm Mast-R-Lift II router table.
Re: Why the name “Mark”?
‘Cuz everything cool from that era was a Mark [V]!
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John Dalton
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
Massachusetts
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1948 10E, S/N 5052 (restored)
1950 10ER, S/N 26473 (restored)
1952 10ER, S/N 51721 (restored as dedicated drill press)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263334 (functionally restored)
1954 Mark 5, S/N 263705 (restored/PowerPro)
c1959 Mark 2, S/N 81940 (undergoing restoration)
Re: Why the name “Mark”?
I haven't seen anyone talk about this and my explanation will be far from definitive, but this is what I surmised when I looked into this a while back. My understanding is Hans Goldschmidt (credited as being the inventor of 10E/ER) was German. Reason that I am pointing this out is looking up word derivations, I can find many, many definitions for the word, not name, "mark". Perhaps someone far more skilled in the German language can give more detail here, but I found the simplest translation of "mark" to be "unit". This also makes sense to me because the German currency is the Deutsche Mark, which makes sense because it is one unit of currency each. So, taking this into an engineering or product naming sense, then a Mark I, Mark II, Mark III, Mark IV, Mark V, etc. is simply calling them out plainly, e.g. Unit 1, Unit 2, Unit 3, Unit 4, Unit 5, etc. How this permeated culture and spread beyond, I couldn't say. Besides being in the niche Shopsmith community, it is all over the MCU as Tony Stark names every iteration of a new Ironman suit with a Mark prefix.
RF Guy
Mark V 520 (Bought New '98) | 4" jointer | 6" beltsander | 12" planer | bandsaw | router table | speed reducer | univ. tool rest
Porter Cable 12" Compound Miter Saw | Rikon 8" Low Speed Bench Grinder w/CBN wheels | Jessem Clear-Cut TS™ Stock Guides
Festool (Emerald): DF 500 Q | RO 150 FEQ | OF 1400 EQ | TS 55 REQ | CT 26 E
DC3300 | Shopvac w/ClearVue CV06 Mini Cyclone | JDS AirTech 2000 | Sundstrom PAPR | Dylos DC1100 Pro particulate monitor
Mark V 520 (Bought New '98) | 4" jointer | 6" beltsander | 12" planer | bandsaw | router table | speed reducer | univ. tool rest
Porter Cable 12" Compound Miter Saw | Rikon 8" Low Speed Bench Grinder w/CBN wheels | Jessem Clear-Cut TS™ Stock Guides
Festool (Emerald): DF 500 Q | RO 150 FEQ | OF 1400 EQ | TS 55 REQ | CT 26 E
DC3300 | Shopvac w/ClearVue CV06 Mini Cyclone | JDS AirTech 2000 | Sundstrom PAPR | Dylos DC1100 Pro particulate monitor
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Re: Why the name “Mark”?
Now Why start with Mark V?
I would blame it on Ford(Lincoln).
Or whatever influenced Ford's inspiration.
I agree a buzz word of the era.
I would blame it on Ford(Lincoln).
Or whatever influenced Ford's inspiration.
I agree a buzz word of the era.
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Re: Why the name “Mark”?
The Austin Healey 3000 had Mark I, II, III, and IV models. Definitely common marketing fluff from ye olde days. Don't forget the logo mark for the Dragnet Mark VII production company being hammered into a plate of steel.
Ed from Rhode Island
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
510 PowerPro Double Tilt:Greenie PowerPro Drill Press:500 Sanding Shorty w/Belt&Strip Sanders
Super Sawsmith 2000:Scroll Saw w/Stand:Joint-Matic:Power Station:Power Stand:Bandsaw:Joiner:Jigsaw
1961 Goldie:1960 Sawsmith RAS:10ER
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Re: Why the name “Mark”?
The original name was intended to be bark as in wood bark but the guy that phoned in orders for the stencils had a lisp hence “mark” was born.
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Re: Why the name “Mark”?
RFGuy's explanation of the name Mark being used is very plausible. Hans Goldschmidt was the inventor of the Model 10E and started the company Magna Engineering Corporation to make the Model 10E followed by the 10ER with his partners the Chambers brothers.
And John said,
The 5 in Mark 5 was because it was and still is as the Mark V models today, 5 tools in 1. The Mark VII made in the 1960's was 7 tools in 1 as is the Mark 7 today. Even though it was 5 tools in 1 too, the Mark 2 couldn't be called 5 so they used 2 for some reason. Maybe on a quality scale of 0 to 5 that's where it fell.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
And John said,
Any of you ever hear of the TV Production company Mark VII Limited who made shows like Adam 12?‘Cuz everything cool from that era was a Mark [V]!
The 5 in Mark 5 was because it was and still is as the Mark V models today, 5 tools in 1. The Mark VII made in the 1960's was 7 tools in 1 as is the Mark 7 today. Even though it was 5 tools in 1 too, the Mark 2 couldn't be called 5 so they used 2 for some reason. Maybe on a quality scale of 0 to 5 that's where it fell.
Just my thoughts on the subject.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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Re: Why the name “Mark”?
Where's that put the Mark 1? Oh one function?
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Re: Why the name “Mark”?
JPG
You asked,
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You asked,
No, only one Mark I still existing. As the story goes two were sold but one went back to Shopsmith. Maybe Shopsmith knew just how popular it would be.Where's that put the Mark 1? Oh one function?
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Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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Re: Why the name “Mark”?
Looks like a hybrid to me.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange