Two different quill lengths for greenie?

[Lchance62]

Taking apart my father’s greenie. It also came with a box of used parts. In the box is a shorter quill than the one removed.

question is….. it appears my father upgraded to a longer quill? Im guessing? Is this likely or is there another reason for a quill change?

I’m planning on swapping to v belt and double bearing quill anyway… just wanted to know the reason for the 2 quills and if there were improvements with the longer one.

My longer term plan is to refurbish the greenie for sentimental reasons. I’m considering buying a used 510 to rob the parts like, the motor, table, guards, floating table, and v-belt system. Any recommendations on this endeavor?

Thanks

[JPG]

I am guessing the shorter quill is from a Mark 2. A lower cost alternative to the Mark 5.

[chapmanruss]

Lchance62,

Welcome to the Shopsmith Forum.

The shorter Quill Assembly came from one of two possible sources. As JPG said the Mark 2 used a shorter Quill than the Mark 5. The other possible source would be a 1961 "Goldie" Mark 5 with a C hand engraved at the end of the serial number. See the first picture below for an example of the serial number. It used a shorter Quill for the different Drive Sleeve Assembly used in those "C" Gilmer Drive Mark 5's made just prior to the change to the Poly V Drive. That Mark 5 "C" Drive Sleeve and Quill Assemblies are in the second picture below.

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The pictures below are from the Mark 2. The first is the Quill Assembly followed by the Drive Sleeve Assembly.

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The Quill is similar to the Mark 5 "C" Quill, but the Drive Sleeve Assembly for the Mark 2 is very different from the Mark 5 "C" Drive Sleeve.

Did you happen to get an extra Drive Sleeve Assembly in that box of parts? If so compare it to the pictures above.

The link below is to a topic I started titled Shopsmith Mark 5 What When and Where in the Community section. It includes a lot of history, changes made and related information. At the end of page 4 we started talking about the Mark 2 and later on page 9 the Mark 5 Goldie "C" units are discussed and pictures comparing the Drive Sleeve and Quill Assemblies are included.

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As for using Mark V 510 parts on your Mark 5 Greenie, that is not a problem. Last year my wife's uncle gave me his 1957 Mark 5 Greenie which had been upgraded to the 510 Table/Carriage/Fence system. Upgrades and other changes made to the Mark 5/V over the years can be added to older tools. It is a unique feature to have in a tool that has been around since its introduction in 1954.