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Exact Dimension of the upper rails
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 12:52 am
by paulmcohen
Does anyone have a SketchUp plan or exact dimensions for the Shopsmith upper rails and rail spacing. I want to machine something that will ride on the upper rails and I want it to be precise.
The tubes seem to be 1 5/8" in diameter but I can't be sure and I am even less sure of the spacing between the rails and a ruler is not doing it for me.
What I would really like is the spacing between the centers of the rails so I can drill two precision holes and not have to do any math.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:39 am
by dusty
paulmcohen wrote:Does anyone have a SketchUp plan or exact dimensions for the Shopsmith upper rails and rail spacing. I want to machine something that will ride on the upper rails and I want it to be precise.
The tubes seem to be 1 5/8" in diameter but I can't be sure and I am even less sure of the spacing between the rails and a ruler is not doing it for me.
What I would really like is the spacing between the centers of the rails so I can drill two precision holes and not have to do any math.
Here is what I can provide but I got this using a square a couple straight edges and a good ruler. You could do the same.
BTW These measurements were taken at the left end of a 510 and confirmed to be consistent at the other end. However, measurements vary as you move along the tubes ( I think dependent upon where the headstock and carriage are. Even without the headstock and carriage, the tubes are located inconsistently with respect to one another.
It will be interesting and I hope encouraging to hear how these checkout against a Mark 7 PowerPro.
Good luck.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:52 am
by robinson46176
dusty wrote:Here is what I can provide but I got this using a square a couple straight edges and a good ruler. You could do the same.
Already resting comfortably in my Shopsmith folder on my hard-drive.
Thanks... I'm sure this effort will be much appreciated across this forum.
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Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 9:24 am
by pennview
Dusty, I'm not disagreeing with or questioning your measurements, but it seems a bit curious that some of the measurements end up with an odd 1/64".
If you look at the bench tubes (lower tubes), the two are on 8 1/2" centers. With a tube diameter of 1 3/4", the measurement to the outside of the tubes should be 10 1/4", not 10 17/64". A similar difference occurs in the vertical measurements, with an expected 9 1/4" vs. 9 17/64".
I'd guess we have some manufacturing tolerances at play here.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:21 pm
by paulmcohen
dusty wrote:Here is what I can provide but I got this using a square a couple straight edges and a good ruler. You could do the same.
First thing I noticed is the diameter of the tubes is 1 3/4" not the 1 5/8" I measured. With that and the distance between centers I should be able to get done what I need today.
Thanks
In case anyone is curious I am building an adapter that will allow me to connect several Jet mini-lathe accessories to my PowerPro the most important is the new coffee cup holder just introduced by Rockler and Woodcraft. Followed by a Lathe Steady Rest by Ron Mostel that supports long turning at 4 points using in-line skate wheels.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 2:39 pm
by pennview
Paul, regarding those skate wheels, I don't know what size they are or the cost but Lee Valley has wheels made for scooters at $2.25 each. These are polyurethane wheels that have two bearings each and are 3 7/8" in diameter. Look here --
http://www.leevalley.com/en/wood/page.a ... at=1,43455 -- These are very nice wheels, especially for the money and I believe the bearings are the same as those used on the Shopsmith bandsaw.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:46 pm
by dusty
paulmcohen wrote:First thing I noticed is the diameter of the tubes is 1 3/4" not the 1 5/8" I measured. With that and the distance between centers I should be able to get done what I need today.
Thanks
In case anyone is curious I am building an adapter that will allow me to connect several Jet mini-lathe accessories to my PowerPro the most important is the new coffee cup holder just introduced by Rockler and Woodcraft. Followed by a Lathe Steady Rest by Ron Mostel that supports long turning at 4 points using in-line skate wheels.
I guess I should have made the disclaimer much more obvious.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 3:50 pm
by dusty
pennview wrote:Dusty, I'm not disagreeing with or questioning your measurements, but it seems a bit curious that some of the measurements end up with an odd 1/64".
If you look at the bench tubes (lower tubes), the two are on 8 1/2" centers. With a tube diameter of 1 3/4", the measurement to the outside of the tubes should be 10 1/4", not 10 17/64". A similar difference occurs in the vertical measurements, with an expected 9 1/4" vs. 9 17/64".
I'd guess we have some manufacturing tolerances at play here.
You definitely have assembly differences. Have you taken a real close look at the mechanism that secures the tubes. These tubes do sorta take their own location wherever they are most comfortable.
I think that if you rounded those numbers to what you have stated is logical - you are probably not far off from the design drawing.
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 4:25 pm
by algale
paulmcohen wrote:
In case anyone is curious I am building an adapter that will allow me to connect several Jet mini-lathe accessories to my PowerPro the most important is the new coffee cup holder just introduced by Rockler and Woodcraft.
Is this serious or a joke? If serious, and if your lathe work is anything like mine, I hope you like coffee with cream, sugar, sawdust and wood chips....
Posted: Thu Feb 23, 2012 6:38 pm
by paulmcohen
algale wrote:Is this serious or a joke? If serious, and if your lathe work is anything like mine, I hope you like coffee with cream, sugar, sawdust and wood chips....
Completely serious, I had a good laugh when I first saw it advertised then I purchased the Rockler one.
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It swivels out of the way and holds 12 lathe tools (one shown), normally I will use a covered travel mug and I have a big dust collector behind the cutting area.