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bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:30 am
by PAULSCOOTER
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 10:42 am
by edma194
The posts holding SPTs like the bandsaw are a little loose in the mounting holes. This doesn't really affect performance but you may prefer your bandsaw table to be level. I've seen this come up on the forum about the lathe tailstock which does need to be well aligned with the main spindle on the headstock. One approach is to use a wood wedge between the SPT and the end of the way tubes. This is a little easier on the other end of the way tubes that have the tilt casting instead of the tilt release mechanism but should still work. You can also add shims between the posts and the mounting holes to keep it straight. Some pieces of aluminum soda can might fit in there.
It's also important to make sure the locking handle that holds SPTs in place has the square ended lock screws extending the same distance out from the handle so that it tightens on the tubes securely to hold them in place.
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:07 am
by JPG
I would be suspicious of the upper end of the mounting tubes not centered in the holes or tubes too short).
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:20 am
by PAULSCOOTER
I did remove and check the bandsaw tubes. the tubes fit in the bottom of the bandsaw very tight.
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:28 am
by edma194
What type of mounting posts do you have on the bandsaw?
The various types are shown here.
Doesn't look like you have collars on them. If they are offset post are they resting on the offset on top of the end casting?
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:31 am
by DLB
You might test that the Headrest is properly installed on the bench (lower) tubes. You can install the extension table in the Headrest mounts and see if the extension table tubes are square to the bench tubes. An angle block or cube (Wixey or similar) or a short square with a plumb vial would be helpful, but this is probably far enough off to eyeball it. My thinking here is to isolate between the bandsaw and everything else by taking the BS out of the equation.
- David
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:08 pm
by PAULSCOOTER
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:13 pm
by JPG
Re bandsaw tubes: they must be tight at both the bottom where the tubes enter the BS AND at the upper end where they go into a hole.
Re bench tubes: They must lay flat against the casting. There may be a ridge that serves as a stop that the tubes may be resting on top of.
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:35 pm
by DLB
JPG wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:13 pm
Re bandsaw tubes: they must be tight at both the bottom where the tubes enter the BS AND at the upper end where they go into a hole.
IIRC the now-standard eccentric mounts don't engage the upper hole once the BS is adjusted for drive shaft alignment. One of the things not to love about them. Not long enough above, nor below, the eccentric joint and too small in diameter. In comparison to the straight tubes they replaced.
Another thing we've seen on the bench tubes is that excessive tightening of those clamp bolts can crush the tube. You're not missing setscrews, those are used on the way (upper) tubes.
- David
Re: bandsaw tilts to the right.
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:08 pm
by chapmanruss
Set screws hold the Way Tubes in place. Your picture of the bolts and bar to hold the Bench Tubes is correct and has been that way for all Mark 5/V's since their introduction.
In your picture above and shown below I noticed the legs are not completely aligned to the Headrest with a gap as indicated by the arrow.
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It may require removing the storage shelf to correct this.
There has been a lot of discussion about the Eccentric Mounting Posts used for the Bandsaw and how they are a bit short going into the Bandsaw Main Frame. The picture below shows a properly aligned, to my Mark V 520, Bandsaw mounted on a Headrest. For those of you who have noticed it the lock is not tightened and therefore not centered. The green arrow shows the Eccentric Mounting Post offset resting on the Headrest. The red arrow shows where the top of the Mounting Post doesn't quite go all the way through the top hole in the Bandsaw Main Frame casting. It is short of touching the stop above the upper hole. I mention this for those reading this thread looking for similar help.
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If you read the information in the link Ed provided than you know the Bandsaw originally had straight Mounting Posts with adjustable Collars like yours. The picture below shows a Goldie Bandsaw with straight Mounting Posts. In this picture the Posts are not set all the way up to the stop. That stop was for the straight Mounting Posts to go up to in the Bandsaw Main Frame. The Collars were used to "set" the resting position of the Bandsaw in the Headrest Mounting Holes when the shafts (Bandsaw and Headstock Drive Shafts) are aligned. The Bandsaw Main Frame casting itself is the same today as it was when the Bandsaw was introduced in the 1950's. I have a Greenie Bandsaw with its original straight Mounting Posts and had no trouble aligning it to my Mark 7. Straight Mounting Posts have less adjustment available to align the hub to the Headstock than the Eccentric Mounting Posts. For some reason on yours the Bandsaw drive shaft does not seem to be in straight alignment with the Headstocks Drive Sleeve. It is possible your Headrest is not set evenly on the Bench Tubes.
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Although not as likely as other alignment issues the Main Frame casting could be bent slightly at the Mounting Post holes causing some tilt. If this is part of the problem the solution would be getting a replacement Main Frame. If needed, you would want an early Main Frame Assembly from a Bandsaw with the Cast Iron Table. There is a difference between the Main Frame Assembly for the Cast Iron Table having pressed in bushings for the table mount and the Aluminum Table which has slip in bushings for the table mount.