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New Shopsmith DC-6000 Dust Collector

RFGuy

It looks like Shopsmith finally got around to a partial re-design of the DC-3300 dust collector. I just received the holiday catalog and noticed they have a new dust collector (DC-6000 or item #556700) for sale starting next month, so it isn't on the website yet. Only change that I can see is they changed from a 0.5HP to a 1.5HP motor. Hopefully they also increased the impeller size, but it doesn't say. Airflow is listed at 600CFM. Now if they could just offer a HEPA cartridge filter as an option that would be great.

jsburger

RFGuy wrote It looks like Shopsmith finally got around to a partial re-design of the DC-3300 dust collector. I just received the holiday catalog and noticed they have a new dust collector (DC-6000 or item #556700) for sale starting next month, so it isn't on the website yet. Only change that I can see is they changed from a 0.5HP to a 1.5HP motor. Hopefully they also increased the impeller size, but it doesn't say. Airflow is listed at 600CFM. Now if they could just offer a HEPA cartridge filter as an option that would be great.

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Interesting!

Changing the motor HP at the same RPM will not increase the CFM. To get more CFM you need a bigger impeller (or a different design) at the same RPM. With a bigger impeller you may need more HP. Hence the increase from .5 to 1.5HP.

I am sure someone will chime in if this is incorrect. :)

chapmanruss

Maybe the actual Shopsmith DC-6000 Dust Collector will give better clues. The picture in the new catalog is a cropped and edited one of the DC-3300 from the online catalog.

I wonder if they will have an upgrade for DC-3300 owners.

JPG

MAYBE they went from an induction motor to a universal motor.

DLB

I'm optimistic that an upgrade will be offered. The ad says the 24" and 42" filter hoods, as well as collection bags fit both models, so some important dimensions must be the same. Impeller, motor, probably a switch, possibly some wiring... An upgrade seems simple enough on the surface, and I would think the upgrade market is large in comparison. I'd also like to see a cartridge filter option but I'm less optimistic about that.

Just from observation of the picture in the catalog, it's not obvious to me how this thing works very well with its standard filter hood. Pretty tall order to get more flow through a same size filter without sacrificing filtration. It does say there is a new hood, but I didn't see micron filtration mentioned anywhere.

- David

chapmanruss

I think the change in the hood is simply the printed logo on the new one (P/N 556710) vs. the model number of the old one (P/N 514808). The old one will likely be discontinued after stock sells out since the new one should be interchangeable with it. The 24" and 42" are interchangeable already and only have the logo. Maybe an upgrade will include a decal "Shopsmith DC-6000" for the legs.

Ed in Tampa

Wow what a group of skeptics! 😂 Wait until someone gets their hands on it and tests it out before you tear it up.

The current DC 3300 can be converted with a cartridge by using a spacer to lift the cartridge above any protruding parts and using an all thread to hold it on. It takes a little work around but it can be done.

dusty

Who's skeptical? I'm just curious. Curious about why they introduced a third dust collector. Curious about whether or not they are going to discontinue support of the old, old one (Mine). Curious whether the old one could be converter to function like the new design. Curious just what great features are available with the new one.

chapmanruss

Ed,

Sorry if I sounded skeptical. I was only giving observations I made about the listing in the new catalog for the DC-6000 compared to the DC-3300. Along with that I put in a bit of a wish list about an upgrade for the DC-3300 to make it a DC-6000 since it appears to be going on the DC-3300 frame. Similar to what Shopsmith has done with the Mark V being upgradeable to even a Mark 7. One thing I have wanted to do, but have yet to do it, is change the filter hood on my DC-3300 to either the 24" or 42". I think I will now wait until the new DC-6000 comes out and see my options. Dayton are you listening?

DLB

I guess I'm a bit skeptical. Two things I would not expect in a modernized portable Dust Collector at this price point are 2-1/2" ports (only) and a 12" hood style filter. I don't see any way that it can perform well compared to other systems available that offer comparable power, 4" ports, and large filters. But that is based more on physics than skepticism, Shopsmith does not make a lot of performance claims that would cause one to be skeptical. Despite any of that, I would be a likely buyer if a reasonably priced upgrade to the 3300 is made available.

- David

Ed in Tampa

There is a 4 inch port on the DC3300 so I imagine there is on this new one. SS knocks the 4 inch port down to three 2.5 ports but you can always remove the reducer and have a full 4 inch port.

Also the DC 3300 can easily be converted to a cartridge filter. First you need a spacer that fits on the frame like the filter bag does then a filter cartridge. Remember neither the spacer nor the filter are subject to vacuum they are under pressure. So you do need to worry about the cartridge collapsing.

DLB

Ed in Tampa wrote There is a 4 inch port on the DC3300 so I imagine there is on this new one. SS knocks the 4 inch port down to three 2.5 ports but you can always remove the reducer and have a full 4 inch port.

Thank you, I did not know that. I recently got a Planer that would prefer the 4" line. I was trying to determine the best way to support both 4" and 2.5" and thought I would need to do that externally using either a 2:1 or 3:1 connection. This gives me better options.

- David

RFGuy

Shopsmith used to sell a 90° elbow (item "F" in pic below) for conversion to 4" ducting, but it isn't available any more unfortunately. It replaces the 3 2.5" port plenum and was Shopsmith part #300003. You can still hook up 4" PVC without it, but it is a bit more clunky.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/dc_fittings.htm

Another option is to build the octopus like they had at the Shopsmith Academy. It was just a plenum to hook whatever size PVC you wanted up to the DC-3300. Just keep the 3 2.5" hose sections short in length to minimize losses (see link below for picture).

https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?f=5&t=859

Pages 8-9 of the document below discusses using the 4" Inlet Assembly from Shopsmith on the DC-3300:

https://www.shopsmith.com/academy/dustcollection/042202.pdf

JPG

There is a reason the 4" elbow is no longer offered. AIUI it does not work well(too low air velocity).

rpd

As Red says, the 4" adapter was discontinued as the older dust collector did not have the air flow for larger than a 3" line.

Nick runs through the math in this video.

http://www.shopsmithacademy.com/SS_Archives/SS109/SS109_Dust_Collection.htm

RFGuy

JPG wrote There is a reason the 4" elbow is no longer offered. AIUI it does not work well(too low air velocity).

Agreed, but every time I try to point out the shortcomings of the DC-3300, someone comes to defend it here so I figured I would mention the 4" Inlet Assembly. I looked for it before, but could never find a used one anywhere. I have a small shop and was only going to run maybe a 6' or 8' horizontal trunk line to hookup to my DC-3300 with a few tools. I ran the airflow calcs and in theory it would have been fine for such a short duct with only one tool on at a time, but I abandoned this project. The problem for Shopsmith is they are stuck on 2.5" ports when the rest of the industry has migrated to 4" or larger ports. I would happily pay Shopsmith for a new lower saw guard that has a 4" dust port...same for the SPT accessories. Unfortunately, Shopsmith chooses to not offer upgrade options for this for customers (because it doesn't mate well with the DC-3300 in the catalog). I was surprised that the DC-6000 has the same setup with 3 2.5" ports. If it really can flow 600CFM and if 2 of the 3 ports are closed off, it is going to whistle like crazy through that one 2.5" port that is open.

JPG

And @ 600 cfm the 4" post likely will work.

jsburger

RFGuy wrote
JPG wrote There is a reason the 4" elbow is no longer offered. AIUI it does not work well(too low air velocity).
Agreed, but every time I try to point out the shortcomings of the DC-3300, someone comes to defend it here so I figured I would mention the 4" Inlet Assembly. I looked for it before, but could never find a used one anywhere. I have a small shop and was only going to run maybe a 6' or 8' horizontal trunk line to hookup to my DC-3300. I ran the airflow calcs and in theory it would have been fine for such a short duct with only one tool on at a time, but I abandoned this project. The problem for Shopsmith is they are stuck on 2.5" ports when the rest of the industry has migrated to 4" or larger ports. I would happily pay Shopsmith for a new lower saw guard that has a 4" dust port...same for the SPT accessories. Unfortunately, Shopsmith chooses to not offer upgrade options for this for customers (because it doesn't mate well with the DC-3300 in the catalog). I was surprised that the DC-6000 has the same setup with 3 2.5" ports. If it really can flow 600CFM and if 2 of the 3 ports are closed off, it is going to whistle like crazy through that one 2.5" port that is open.

I don't think anything will whistle. My ClearVue Max is almost 2000 CFM and I run the 4" port to the PM2000 table saw open all the time and a 2 1/2" port to most other tools, mostly SS. No whistling. :)

RFGuy

jsburger wrote

I don't think anything will whistle. My ClearVue Max is almost 2000 CFM and I run the 4" port to the PM2000 table saw open all the time and a 2 1/2" port to most other tools, mostly SS. No whistling. :)

Wow! IF you are getting 2000CFM at that 4" port then that would be 23,000fpm airflow. Maybe it doesn't whistle per se, but that has to be one noisy port with that kind of airflow going through it. The DC-6000 with 600CFM airflow would be around 28,000fpm for comparison.

Did you gate off the 2.5" tools, or is 2000CFM flowing to one 4" and multiple 2.5" ports all at the same time?

jsburger

RFGuy wrote
jsburger wrote

I don't think anything will whistle. My ClearVue Max is almost 2000 CFM and I run the 4" port to the PM2000 table saw open all the time and a 2 1/2" port to most other tools, mostly SS. No whistling. :)
Wow! IF you are getting 2000CFM at that 4" port then that would be 23,000fpm airflow. Maybe it doesn't whistle per se, but that has to be one noisy port with that kind of airflow going through it. The DC-6000 with 600CFM airflow would be around 28,000fpm for comparison.

Did you gate off the 2.5" tools, or is 2000CFM flowing to one 4" and multiple 2.5" ports all at the same time?

The ClearVue Max is rated at 1935 CFM. It has an 8" port, a 5 HP Leeson 230V motor and a 16" impeller. Of course you don't get max (1935) CFM through a 4" or 2 1/2" hose. However you get the max the hoses will support. I can leave all ports open (5 0r 6) depending) with no degradation.