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New Shopsmith DC-6000 Dust Collector

RFGuy

jsburger wrote

The ClearVue Max is rated at 1935 CFM. It has an 8" port, a 5 HP Leeson 230V motor and a 16" impeller. Of course you don't get max (1935) CFM through a 4" or 2 1/2" hose. However you get the max the hoses will support. I can leave all ports open (5 0r 6) depending) with no degradation.

So you were probably only getting 400-500CFM at that 4" port then probably? That is why it didn't whistle.

DLB

I got confused somewhere along the line. If I take the 3 X 2.5 plenum (manifold?) off of the DC-3300 do I have a 4" port? Or only if I adapt it with the unobtanium SS port or make something? I think the 4" line may work for my application, a DW735 Planer that adds considerable airflow on the front end, despite the relatively low flow of the 3300. And I don't need a long line, both tools are portable.

Note - Though the manual says 4", the standard adapter that comes with the DW735 will connect directly to either 2.5 or 4. I have not experienced any problems with 2.5" so far.

- David

jsburger

RFGuy wrote
jsburger wrote

The ClearVue Max is rated at 1935 CFM. It has an 8" port, a 5 HP Leeson 230V motor and a 16" impeller. Of course you don't get max (1935) CFM through a 4" or 2 1/2" hose. However you get the max the hoses will support. I can leave all ports open (5 0r 6) depending) with no degradation.
So you were probably only getting 400-500CFM at that 4" port then probably? That is why it didn't whistle.

So the DC-6000 is going to get 600 CFM at the 2 1/2' port? huh I am not going to do the math but usually I have one 4" and one 2 1/2" port open at a time. Some times only one 4" port. You only get a whistle if you have a leak. :)

Anyhow, it doesn't matter. That much air flow makes a BIG difference. However, on a table saw (SS or otherwise) it is not enough because half the dust comes up from the back side of the blade to the top of the table. It doesn't matter what you do with the lower blade guard it won't help much.

The answer is an upper blade guard with dust collection. I have a Shark Guard on my SS and one on my Powermatic PM2000. The difference is amazing.

stew

Hey John any chance on getting a picture of your Shark Guard set up on the Shopsmith? Does it cause any problems if you move the SS or do you always keep your SS in the same spot. My shop is small so I am always moving mine.

Thanks!

RFGuy

DLB wrote I got confused somewhere along the line. If I take the 3 X 2.5 plenum (manifold?) off of the DC-3300 do I have a 4" port? Or only if I adapt it with the unobtanium SS port or make something? I think the 4" line may work for my application, a DW735 Planer that adds considerable airflow on the front end, despite the relatively low flow of the 3300. And I don't need a long line, both tools are portable.

Note - Though the manual says 4", the standard adapter that comes with the DW735 will connect directly to either 2.5 or 4. I have not experienced any problems with 2.5" so far.

- David

David,

It has been a while since I measured mine, but yes you will get a 4.x" opening on the DC-3300 by removing the plenum/manifold from the front. Mine is up in the attic now, so I can't easily go measure it, but it is around a 4" opening. I had planned to use 4" PVC for a very short trunk line of ducting in my shop. I believe I wrapped a 4" PVC line in some electrical tape in order to get a snug fit (and have it not get sucked into the impeller), so I think the DC-3300 opening is a little more than 4.5" (4" PVC has a 4.5" OD). The benefit, as I see it, of the 90°elbow from Shopsmith is the elbow permanently attaches to the DC-3300 (or DC-6000) with screws and has a flange to make it mostly airtight. By the way, when I took the plenum off of my DC-3300, that is the only time that my 42" filter hood ever fully inflated, so there is some restriction in the plenum (even if all 3 ports are open); makes sense because the area of 3 2.25" port is less than 1 4" port.

jsburger

stew wrote
Hey John any chance on getting a picture of your Shark Guard set up on the Shopsmith? Does it cause any problems if you move the SS or do you always keep your SS in the same spot. My shop is small so I am always moving mine.

Thanks!

This is the only picture I have. It was taken in 2007 right after the SS version first became available. He has made a lot of manufacturing modifications to all the models over the years. The new ones look different but they all function the same.

The upper hose and lower hose are connected together with a Y and then there is a single hose to the dust collector.

Since I built my dedicated shop in 2009 I don't ever move the SS. However, I don't see why the Shark Guard would cause any problems.

I will go out to the shop and take a few more better pictures later today.

JPG

An interesting miter gauge extension!

jsburger

JPG wrote An interesting miter gauge extension!

That is the SS 556005 20" Aluminum Miter Gauge Extension with Flip Stop.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/swd_mitergauge.htm

JPG

Had not previously seen the cross section view.

Thank You.

DLB

I didn't realize that had a combo of SS and standard(?) T-slots. Is it standard 1/4" where it mounts to the miter gauge? I like it! Probably has some erector-set type jig applications. Kreg offers a similar extrusion but without the SS T-slots of course.

- David

jsburger

stew wrote
Hey John any chance on getting a picture of your Shark Guard set up on the Shopsmith? Does it cause any problems if you move the SS or do you always keep your SS in the same spot. My shop is small so I am always moving mine.

Thanks!

Here are some better pictures of the SS Shark Guard. As I said this guard was made in 2007 and was one of the first SS model he sold. Material and workmanship have much improved over the years. The last picture is the Shark Guard on my PM2000 table saw. It was bought somewhere around 2012 or 13. There is a big difference in the material and workmanship. I have not looked lately but I am sure there have been more changes in the last 7 or 8 years.

dusty

That dust collection system appears to be all that anyone could ask for. I see not a single sign of saw dust in that shop. :rolleyes: Either that or you have one of the best janitors available.

jsburger

dusty wrote That dust collection system appears to be all that anyone could ask for. I see not a single sign of saw dust in that shop. :rolleyes: Either that or you have one of the best janitors available.

A little bit of both. :D However, the Shark Guards are amazing. They get 98% of the above table dust.

tucsonguy

What they should offer is a 0.5 micron pleated canister filter that mounts on top. That would vastly improve the performance of the machine. The argument about "dust caking on the inside of the bag is a good thing as it reduces the size of particulates emitted" may be kind-of-sort-of-technically true but it ignores the biggest problem in DC collection - when the dust bag clogs, the motor has to work harder to push the air through the bag, and CFM will drop as a result.

Canisters offer 8x more square area than any bag AND better filtration. Less wear on the motor, better CFM.

RFGuy

So, it looks like the DC-3300 has been removed from the website and the DC-6000 dust collector is now live on the website for ordering if interested. Wondering if the motor is unchanged from the DC-3300. It is listed at only 8.0A, which if it is a 1.5HP motor is a bit low possibly indicating the impeller and housing are limiting full airflow. Didn't the DC-3300 motor draw around 8.0A at steady state?

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/dustcollection.htm

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/itemfind.htm?item=556700

DLB

RFGuy wrote So, it looks like the DC-3300 has been removed from the website and the DC-6000 dust collector is now live on the website for ordering if interested. Wondering if the motor is unchanged from the DC-3300. It is listed at only 8.0A, which if it is a 1.5HP motor is a bit low possibly indicating the impeller and housing are limiting full airflow. Didn't the DC-3300 motor draw around 8.0A at steady state?

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/dustcollection.htm

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/itemfind.htm?item=556700

I just tested my DC-3300 at 9.5 A steady state with all three holes open. This dropped to ~8.5A with one hose and two holes closed off. Mine has the 42" filter. The external label does say 8.0 Amps. I don't recall ever seeing the data plate on the motor itself.

- David

RFGuy

DLB wrote I just tested my DC-3300 at 9.5 A steady state with all three holes open. This dropped to ~8.5A with one hose and two holes closed off. Mine has the 42" filter. The external label does say 8.0 Amps. I don't recall ever seeing the data plate on the motor itself.

- David

Thanks David. Yeah, that sounds familiar to what I thought I remembered when I measured my DC-3300. So, the DC-3300 is supposed to have a 0.5HP motor and the new DC-6000 is supposed to have a 1.5HP motor. Wondering how that can be if the new one draws the same current as the old one. I have been guessing that Shopsmith re-designed the impeller to get the airflow up to 600CFM rather than actually beefing up the motor. Just a working theory since there isn't much info to go on until someone purchases one and opens it up...

claimdude

I ordered the DC-6000 today. I will provide feedback, pics and answer questions when it arrives sometime in January.

Jack

DLB

I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from the new on-line advertising. I don't recall the 8 Amps being mentioned in the print ad and this conflicts with what I was expecting. If accurate, 8 Amps suggests to me that the 1-1/2 HP assertion is something other than continuous HP, probably Peak HP, and therefore HP comparisons with the DC-3300 are apples to oranges. Equally important to me personally, I don't see any mention of an upgrade kit. I like the footprint and portability of the DC-3300, so I would presumably like this unit better than what I have.

- David

RFGuy

DLB wrote I'm not sure what conclusions to draw from the new on-line advertising. I don't recall the 8 Amps being mentioned in the print ad and this conflicts with what I was expecting. If accurate, 8 Amps suggests to me that the 1-1/2 HP assertion is something other than continuous HP, probably Peak HP, and therefore HP comparisons with the DC-3300 are apples to oranges. Equally important to me personally, I don't see any mention of an upgrade kit. I like the footprint and portability of the DC-3300, so I would presumably like this unit better than what I have.

- David

Yeah, I agree. I checked online but there isn't a parts diagram or parts list yet for the DC-6000. I was hoping to compare from it, but we'll have to wait for Jack to get his and report back on it. I am just curious what changes Shopsmith made to the DC-6000. An upgrade kit, if ever offered, might be nice...

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