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Jointer Cleanup and Repair

Majones1

That looks very nice. One of these days I hope to clean mine up like that, but for now I'm just happy it is fully functional.

chapmanruss

DarrenDD,

The Housing Cover on that Model A-34 Jig Saw is exactly what I was referring to. The one I restored is that same early version and I have an extra cover I was thinking of doing that paint job on.

DarrenDD

Painting the raised portions is not fun unless you like tedious work. Much easier to paint it all one color and hit the raised portions with 1200 grit finish sander.

jsburger

DarrenDD wrote Painting the raised portions is not fun unless you like tedious work. Much easier to paint it all one color and hit the raised portions with 1200 grit finish sander.

Probably why Magna didn't paint it. :)

Majones1

Success!!! I was finally able to use both my jointer and planer and they work great. Last week I sharpened the knives for both using the ShopSmith sharpening jig/conical sanding disk, and then an Arkansas oil stone. I installed and aligned the knives using Nick’s video on planer knife alignment and Scott’s jointer knife alignment video. I also removed the paint from the Magna logo on the cutter head guard using 1000, 1500, and 2000 wet/dry sandpaper. I then used the two tools to mill some poplar boards that will be used in my next project.

This was also my first significant use of the dust collector. After milling the two boards you see in the photos below I ended up with only a small dustpan full of wood chips and dust on the floor. I’m so grateful that everything works so well.

Thank you all for your guidance on refurbishing and maintaining all the ShopSmith equipment. I am now at a point where I can make things from rough wood in my small garage workshop. I still cannot yet park my car in there; still a lot of wall racks and cabinets to build. My next project is a 30” tall cat scratching post with replaceable sisal natural fiber rug on the scratching surface.

I’m sorry, but I forgot to turn my iPhone sideways to shoot the following photos, but I cannot go back and retake them now.

JPG

MickyD would be proud.

I think he selected the right one to inherit.

Does your planer have the chip collector upgrade?

RFGuy

So, the older jointer doesn't have dust collection, right? Just wondering why there was so much dust & wood chips on the floor afterwords, but that makes sense if it has no dust collection.

Majones1

JPG wrote MickyD would be proud.

I think he selected the right one to inherit.

Does your planer have the chip collector upgrade?

Thank you. I texted MickyD those photos a couple days ago so he could see how I’m taking care of his baby.

No, it did not have dust collection chute. But I bought one on EBay for a reasonable price. The jointer had no threaded hole so for the screws that came with the chute to screw into. But the Jointer does have the two holes where I could put a screw, with a washer, lock washer, and nut. Very little wood chips came from the jointer operation, most of that little pile in my photos came from the planer. So, I think it works well.

I am a little worried about the screw coming loose some time over the coming years, so I am thinking of threading the hole, and either use a larger screw or insert a heli-coil so I can use a smaller screw.

RFGuy

Majones1 wrote Very little wood chips came from the jointer operation, most of that little pile in my photos came from the planer. So, I think it works well.

You shouldn't have a pile of wood chips that big from planer operation with a dust collector, unless you planed a whole tree with it. JMO. Do you have the plastic dust chute that goes inside the planer? Does your DC-3300 have good suction at the end of the house when you check it with your hand? Also, I see that the bottom port is left open on your DC-3300, i.e. not plugged off which may have impacted your dust collection performance.

chapmanruss

Marc,

I agree with JPG in that MickyD would be proud.

Looking in hind site it is curious that Magna added the holes that eventually became the point of attachment for the Jointer Dust Chute so long before it was made. I think you have a good idea in threading the holes and either using larger screws or adding heli-coils to use the OEM screws. Having the dust collection on the Jointer will make it much more pleasurable to use reducing cleanup. Since it cannot be added to the Model 4E Jointer mine is mostly a collectors piece and I use my upgraded 1979 Jointer. The only time I would use my Model 4E jointer over the 1979 Jointer is for rabbiting as it is easier to set up having the easily removed cutter guard.

Majones1

chapmanruss wrote
Marc,

I agree with JPG in that MickyD would be proud.

Looking in hind site it is curious that Magna added the holes that eventually became the point of attachment for the Jointer Dust Chute so long before it was made. I think you have a good idea in threading the holes and either using larger screws or adding heli-coils to use the OEM screws. Having the dust collection on the Jointer will make it much more pleasurable to use reducing cleanup. Since it cannot be added to the Model 4E Jointer mine is mostly a collectors piece and I use my upgraded 1979 Jointer. The only time I would use my Model 4E jointer over the 1979 Jointer is for rabbiting as it is easier to set up having the easily removed cutter guard.

Thank you Russ. It’s been fun.

I forgot to respond to Jpg’s question about the planer chip collector; yes, I purchased the upgrade from ShopSmith and it seems to do a pretty good job. i do get chips on the table and they end up coming out both the infeed and outfeed sides. Not really a lot, but it seemed odd to me to see as much as I did.

Russ, As for the unexpected holes for the jointer chip collector, in the photo below you can see two holes where the cutter head mounts. One of those holes is used for the cutter head bearing end cap, but the other hole is unused. There is the same hole setup at the other end of the cutter head. Those holes line up perfectly with the chip collector mounting holes.

And RFGuy, As for the pile of chips being excessive, it’s possible that I did have more than usual from the jointer. I remember in Scott’s video on derailing his jointer he said that he never cleans out the chips that collect in the gap above the depth gauge because he finds that quite a bit gets blown out that gap until it fills up. Mine is still filling that space. That may be part of what we’re seeing.

But although I’m still a novice here, I don’t think the chips are excessive. That’s a small dustpan, and it’s not even full. But if there’s a problem,I would love to figure it out and fix it if I can; I certainly wouldn’t complain about having less cleanup. 😃

RFGuy

Majones1 wrote And RFGuy, As for the pile of chips being excessive, it’s possible that I did have more than usual from the jointer.

But although I’m still a novice here, I don’t think the chips are excessive. That’s a small dustpan, and it’s not even full. But if there’s a problem,I would love to figure it out and fix it if I can; I certainly wouldn’t complain about having less cleanup. :D

Marc,

Yeah, I wasn't trying to give you a hard time or criticize. It looks like A LOT of dust & chips based on how those 2 tools work in my shop. With no dust collection on the jointer, that would make the most sense to me. My planer is Mark V mounted, but should perform similarly to your Pro Planer. Typically I get a very small amount of chips & shavings that usually end up on top of the board being planed and eventually fall off on the planer bed and some of them make it to the floor. Still I would have to plane hundreds of boards in my shop to get that much debris on the floor (for comparison). That is why I wanted to highlight in case you might need to double-check something on the dust collection chute, DC-3300, etc. I have a newer version of the Shopsmith jointer and with dust collection nothing visible ever escapes my jointer. By the way, your equipment is starting to look very good. Great job in breathing new life into this equipment.

Majones1

Thanks RFGuy, I didn’t take any offense or feel criticized at all. I’m new to dust collection, as well as these tools, having been using my shopvac or nothing with my saws and router. When I cut rabbets into the 2x4s used as the frame around my workbench top I ended up with huge piles of chips, so this little dustpan full is like heaven.

But I am serious about figuring out if and where any problem is. So I will check it out. The DC-3300 has 3 ports on it, one has the 2 1/2” hose on it, one is plugged, but the third port is open; is that normal or should that be plugged.

RFGuy

Majones1 wrote But I am serious about figuring out if and where any problem is. So I will check it out. The DC-3300 has 3 ports on it, one has the 2 1/2” hose on it, one is plugged, but the third port is open; is that normal or should that be plugged.

Having one port open can be an advantage in that it will draw in room air and help filter it through the DC-3300 acting like an air filter, but this will cut down on airflow on the port going to the tool. Unfortunately the DC-3300 is a rather anemic dust collector so you may want to close that 3rd port off to increase your airflow. Don't get me wrong, Shopsmith did a good job with the DC-3300 and it was very nice for the time that it came onto the market. However, since then there are much better (more airflow, HEPA filters, cyclones, less leaks, etc.) dust collection solutions available and for far cheaper. I still have my DC-3300 and it served me well for many, many years. I can't really afford to/don't want to upgrade to a $2k dust collector/cyclone solution for my shop yet, so I went a different route. I bought the largest ShopVac™ that I could find with both a HEPA cartridge filter and HEPA dust bags in it. I mated this to a ClearVue CV06 Mini cyclone (basically an upgraded version of a Dust Deputy). It is still a reasonably compact setup for my small shop (~200 sq ft). Using this setup, I was able to measure better airflow than my DC-3300 so I switched to using the ShopVac™. It works well for me and with the HEPA filters (plural), I have very little dust get into the air in my shop for functions like planing and jointing with my Mark V. Tablesaw and sanding still produce quite a bit of dust that escapes though. FYI...I monitor the air quality (dust) in my shop with a laser particle counter, so I know what the particle counts are when I am in the shop. Helps for knowing when I can breathe without a respirator and when I should put one on.

You'll lose about a third of your airflow with one extra port open. I did some measurements on my DC-3300 with 1, 2 & 3 ports open and you can find the results on this thread: https://forum.shopsmith.com/viewtopic.php?p=285543#p285543

If you ever get bored, there is a mountain of information on dust collection that Bill Pentz put together (http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.php#index.php). He also designed the cyclones that ClearVue (https://www.clearvuecyclones.com/) sells.

ClearVue Mini-Cyclone:

https://www.clearvuecyclones.com/home/116-cv06-mini-system.html

BuckeyeDennis

Hey Mark, that’s a BEAUTIFUL job you did on the jointer restoration. Most of the greenies I see are tired old machines on Craigslist. But looking at yours, I can almost feel the pride that the original owners must have felt. And a good restoration is an even better feeling. Because you didn’t just buy it, you DID it!

chapmanruss

I think Dennis said it very well, you DID it! I enjoy restoring Shopsmith tools as much as using them. It has left me with quite a collection and one Jointer I now regret selling after I restored it. It has the lowest serial number I have seen for a Model 620 Jointer although I don't really need three Jointers. Use caution as collecting Shopsmith tools can be habit forming. :)

As for dust collection I believe you will see improvement if you do not leave an extra port open while collecting dust from an operating tool like your Jointer. If you feel there is still to much not being collected you may want to check the impeller which is one of the seventeen most commonly ordered repair parts. Excessive wear and/or damage to it will reduce efficiency.

theinrichs

Another jointer rescue! I acquired this model 620 the other day and I'm in the process of cleaning it up. The outstanding job that Marc Jones did with his jointer based on the expert advice he received from the contributors to this forum gave me the inspiration to attempt this restoration. The serial number on this jointer is #15554. My plan is to clean and tune it up using the tips and suggestions on this thread. Marc and I are in San Diego and I had the pleasure today of meeting Marc, a fellow Navy veteran. I've learned a lot from his restoration process and from all of you. Thank you all for your willingness to share your knowledge and experiences with Newbies like myself.

Tony

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JPG

Although well intentioned, the google link is worthless unless we all have your credentials.

Post a pix.

chapmanruss

theinrichs,

Do post a picture of your Jointer instead of using a link that may not be accessible. It will make it easier if you need help. The serial number 15554 for a Model 620 Greenie Jointer shows it was made in April 1954.

theinrichs

Ooops! I thought that might happen. I went back and reviewed Marc’s thread on posting pictures. Hope it works this time. JPG and Russ thank you for your comments.

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