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Yet another "Goldie" Restoration

AllenH

clemensk wrote
AllenH wrote Question, was the engraving on these items ever painted red?

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just as inspiration... I created by accident a really vintage looking colour scheme:

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Looks good to me!

AllenH

Here is how my painting turned out.

AllenH

Now a question. I am upgrading to a 2 bearing quill and a 1 1/18 hp Emerson motor. I have taken apart the motor for clean up. The sheaves had a small amount of corrosion on them, so I hit them with some scotch brite pads. Should I do anything to prevent future corrosion? I assume waxing them would be a no go, since the belt would probably slip.

JPG

I do not see any corrosion to be concerned about(staining at the periphery not deep enough to worry about)

Beside some significant running at high speed will polish that area from belt wear.

'Engraving' painting looks really really good.

AllenH

JPG wrote I do not see any corrosion to be concerned about(staining at the periphery not deep enough to worry about)

Beside some significant running at high speed will polish that area from belt wear.

'Engraving' painting looks really really good.

OK, so a little bit of waxing won't hurt?

Also, I check the bearings. The back one seams ok, but the one on the sheave side has a little bit of hitch in it's giddy up. Will the Nachi 6203-2NSE9C3 work for both ends?

AllenH

I have also been able to pick up a belt sander and jointer at pretty reasonable prices.

JPG

AllenH wrote
JPG wrote I do not see any corrosion to be concerned about(staining at the periphery not deep enough to worry about)

Beside some significant running at high speed will polish that area from belt wear.

'Engraving' painting looks really really good.
OK, so a little bit of waxing won't hurt?

Also, I check the bearings. The back one seams ok, but the one on the sheave side has a little bit of hitch in it's giddy up. Will the Nachi 6203-2NSE9C3 work for both ends?

Save the wax for something that needs it! ;)

Good looking jointer(BS looks nice also).

Re bearing, depends/which brand. IIRC Emerson? maybe A.O. Smith? uses a 6203-5/8 id bearing at the dead end.

AllenH

Sorry, Emerson.

chapmanruss

The Jointer and Bandsaw look pretty good.

The Bandsaw is from around the mid 1970's. It has the Cast Iron Table which looks like there is no rust. That table will benefit from waxing. The Cast Iron Bandsaw Table uses the older style Miter from the Mark 5/V that does not have the washer for the "T" track tables or remove the "T" Track washer from newer Miters. It also should not have the Safety Grip attached for use as a fence. The one slot in the table is for using the Miter as a Fence while the other slot is for using the Miter to push stock past the blade. A well-designed tool from the mid 1950's that is hard to beat in its function today.

The Jointer has the date code made January 10, 1994. The last change to the Jointer was the Cutterhead in 1990 so yours uses all the current parts. No need to buy assemblies when an individual part needs replacing with the exception of the Quadrant Assembly.

AllenH

I have a question on Bill Mayo's Quadrant modification. In his paper, he states that he wants all of the rotation in the quadrant on the bolt not on the legs. The holes in the legs on mine are larger than in the quadrant, so it rotates on the legs. Am I reading this wrong?

DLB

I think you are reading it correctly. I've only done this once, and I ended up deviating quite a bit from his. On mine, the holes in the legs had been worn way over-sized and somewhat out of round by the original roll pin, which acted like a reamer. (Because it ain't a hinge pin, and is being used as one.) IIRC I ended up with 1/4" bolt, as opposed to his #10. Since I was drilling, which Bill's solution seeks to avoid, I decided to thread the hole in one of the legs and the nut on mine functions as a jam nut, the bolt absolutely does not turn and the quadrant swings on the bolt. I have one conventional headstock in my shop, on a mini, and it has had this modified speed control for a few years. Without the oversize bolt, it would have been a throw-away due to the excessively worn holes in the legs. According to Bill's description he modified his design twice to prevent the bolt from turning in the legs. He added star washers, then later added loc-tite to the star washers (a bit of an off-label application) to prevent the bolt turning in the legs.

Maybe the question should be, does it matter if the bolt rotates in the leg holes rather than the pork chop? It still seems superior to the original to me for two reasons. One is that the bolt head and nut tie the two legs together to reinforce one another. That should reduce/prevent the bending and splaying common to warn controls. And it seems less likely to wear the holes over-sized compared to a roll pin. If the unthreaded portion of the bolt was the perfect length, I'd say it was fine. If the threaded portion is inside the leg hole, perhaps not ideal. (But still likely better than that roll pin.)

- David

JPG

IIRC no you are not reading it wrong.

If you use his star washers, that should prevent the screw from rotating in the leg holes.(or blue locktite)

I wonder if a PO reamed out those holes?

AllenH

Well I set the quadrant down in my Garage/Office and now I can't find it. In the meantime, when I took the Emerson motor apart to clean it, These fell out.

I think I figured out where the washers went as you can see in the following picture, but I am not sure about the paper circle. Is it necessary and if so where would it go?

AllenH

Anybody know the dimensions of the Fan Sheave Spacer or where I can get one?

chapmanruss

The Fan Sheave to Motor Spacer is still available from Shopsmith and is part number 504205 which sells for $5.95. If you have the original Owner's Guide for your Goldie Mark 5 you or anyone reading this topic should know that the part numbers changed in 1964. This is a case where having a later parts list and diagram is helpful. Sorry I don't know the actual dimensions.

DLB

I'm not sure if the Fan Sheave Spacer is the same length for all motor brands/types used in the last 70 years. And they sometimes wear in length, though it has always been a bit of a mystery to me as to how that is possible. Sample size of one: 5/8" ID (critical) 3/4" OD (non-critical) and 0.412" long (somewhat critical but this one may be slightly worn). It has a split, implying (to me) that it fits snug to the shaft under its own spring tension.

ETA: My sample came off of an Emerson motor, probably early 2000's.

- David

JPG

My observation(very limited) is that the spacer wears into the softer aluminum of the sheave. A thin steel shim washer or a retaining ring will overcome that wear.

AllenH

I ended up making my own. It seemed to work well.

AllenH

I also was contacted by the person I purchased the Goldie from and she found some more pieces. While I talked to hear I found out her deceased husband's name was Matt. So I will refer to it as Matt's Shopsmith.

AllenH

I went to a 12/2 cord, and couldn't find a strain relief that I liked so I 3D printed one.

Then I attached the switch to it. Later I found out that it was bad. Wouldn't shut off after turning on, so I ordered a new one.

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