craxedunt
I bought my Mark V new in 1978 for $995 at a mall demonstration in Biloxi, Mississippi. I saved the $35 shipping cost taking the one they used at the demo because they were heading back to Dayton, Ohio the next day. I received all the accessories with it and it included the course.
stephen_a._draper
I am currently writing a new version of this course. It is called Shopsmith Mark 4/7/520 Self Study Course. It is completely new with full color pictures and currently being field tested by 5 volunteer owners. Its approach and assignments are written specifically for the new owner who has had no prior exposure to woodworking and wants to learn. It covers all 7 functions of the Mark 7. It focuses exclusively on the current fence and table system that people get with a new machine. It will be published later this year. The table saw lessons have 20 assignments and are finished being field tested. Digital media will come as well. My YouTube channel and Facebook page both named Shopsmith Mark 4/7/520 are designed to support this course.
https://www.facebook.com/groups/1467472797151745
https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCzGcdOVmo4EWXHG6AAWW2qQ
JPG
It will be interesting how long the mothership tolerates the use of the shopsmith trademark!
stephen_a._draper
JPG wrote
It will be interesting how long the mothership tolerates the use of the shopsmith trademark!
Can you explain in more detail what specifically you are talking about? I am working with Nick Cupps at Shopsmith to make sure that everything in the new manual is acceptable to Shopsmith L.P. and has their permission.
stephen_a._draper
The US Trademark Office shows the following Wordmarks that Shopsmith had at one time are currently DEAD and CANCELLED:
MAXI-CLAMP, EDGEWOOD, SHOPCRAFT, SHAVINGS, BENCHMARK, THE ENCORE GROUP, HOMETOOL, SAW SMITH, SHOPMATE, WOODWORKING UNLIMITED, SAVIIIGE CULTIIIRE, ENRICHING LIVES THROUGH WOODWORKING.
The only remaining ones currently are the word Shopsmith written in any font and the Shopsmith Power Pro emblem in blue, white, black, gray, and red that you see on the Gen 1 Power Pro display panel. The red circle with the word Shopsmith inside it like you see on the speed dial of the traditional headstock DOES NOT HAVE A TRADEMARK ON IT according to a current search of the US Trademark Office.
thedovetailjoint
All, the wordmark "Shopsmith is a live, registered trademark, and is claimed and registered for use with the following goods and services:
"Multi-Purpose Power Tools Comprising Lathes, Drill Presses, Horizontal Boring Machines, Disc Sanders, Circular Saws, Shapers, Routers, and Dust Collectors; specifically adapted parts and attachments therefor, namely, bandsaws, jointers, belt, drum, strip and conical Sanders, jigsaws, scroll saws, lathe duplicators, pin routers, planers, molders, biscuit joiner, grinding wheels, and sharpeners; mounting bases and tables, table extensions, table inserts, table plates, support tables and castors all being specifically adapted parts for multi-purpose power tool; Power stands for machines and roller stands for machines; Faceplates, arbors and chucks being specifically adapted parts for multi-purpose power tool; Tailstocks being specifically adapted parts for multi-purpose power tool; Saw blades, jointer and planer blades all being specifically adapted parts for multi-purpose power tool; Router bits, power drill bits, and specifically adapted cases therefor; Dovetail cutters, shaper cutters, lathe centers, mortising attachments, mortising hold downs, tennons holders, rip fences, shaper fences and shaper collars all being specifically adapted parts for multi-purpose power tool; Saw guards being specifically adapted parts for multi-purpose power tool; Dado assemblies comprising of Blades and spacers being a specifically adapted parts for multi-purpose power tool; Lathe tool rests, lathe chisels, sand paper, fabric covers all being specifically adopted parts for multi-purpose power tool; Dowel centers and Coupling Kits comprised of a power coupler, head stock and accessory hubs, and all being specifically adapted parts for multi-purpose power tool."
Note that books, manuals, etc, are not covered by this registration, so Stephen is absolutely free to use the Shopsmith name. Though the Shopsmith logo shows a ® symbol, Stephen is correct that the registration has lapsed. They may claim that it currently falls under TM status, so Stephen is wise to be coordinating with the folks at Shopsmith llc. I personally own a registered trademark, and have also protected a few logos with a TM, which is different than a registered trademark, indicated by the presence of the ® symbol.
JPG
Since thee is working closely with Nick my concern is mitigated.
As a history lesson Bill Mayo(RIP) could enlighten thee regarding his use of shopsmith 'stuff' in his used shopsmith endeavors and the visit by lawyer types.
thedovetailjoint
JPG wrote
Since thee is working closely with Nick my concern is mitigated.
As a history lesson Bill Mayo(RIP) could enlighten thee regarding his use of shopsmith 'stuff' in his used shopsmith endeavors and the visit by lawyer types.
If I recall correctly, wasn't Bill attempting to digitally re-publish Hands-On! Magazine? If so, that was copy-written content, which is quite different from a complete re-write inspired by old lessons.
JPG
My understanding from his posts here was that he was selling refurbished Shopsmiths at a county fair type event and got a visit from a lawyer who not only demanded he remove any references to shopsmith but also he not wear a shopsmith badged hat.
I do not think rewriting anything was in his skill mix. However the digital republish would have been. Interesting - ThankYou.
thedovetailjoint
My mistake. Someone ran afoul with an attempted the Hands-On! digitizing project several years back. I don't remember that incident with Bill.
JPG
OMG Thee art fallible? :eek: :D
thedovetailjoint
Unfailingly fallible.
tfrayne
I’ve seen a few of your videos, including the one where you talk about this project. I too was a bit worried you’d run afoul of SS Hq but it looks like you’ve taken care of that. I would love to see the finished product. I will be looking out for it.
chapmanruss
An update on these reference materials that expand on the information contained in the manuals is long overdue. Congratulations Stephen on following through with this Self Study Guide update with the co-operation of Shopsmith. That is quite an undertaking to edit and update both the text and pictures. Although it still has a lot of good information, I wish this would have been done when the latest printing of Power Tool Woodworking for Everyone was released instead of just putting the picture of a Mark 7 on the cover.
JPG
chapmanruss wrote
An update on these reference materials that expand on the information contained in the manuals is long overdue. Congratulations Stephen on following through with this Self Study Guide update with the co-operation of Shopsmith. That is quite an undertaking to edit and update both the text and pictures. Although it still has a lot of good information, I wish this would have been done when the latest printing of Power Tool Woodworking for Everyone was released instead of just putting the picture of a Mark 7 on the cover.
AMEN!
stephen_a._draper
The first 20 Assignments on Table Saw operations were printed and delivered to Nick Cupps at the Celebration of Woodworking event May 17-18 in Dayton, Ohio. They were well received by Nick who then gave them to Jim McCann for review. The first supporting YouTube video was completed today and is being reviewed by the field testers. When they have finished their review, the video will be edited and submitted.
stephen_a._draper
FIELD TESTERS NEEDED
I am looking for some additional field testers for the new Shopsmith Mark 4/7/520 Self Study Course who are UNDER AGE 60. I have sufficient testers for the over 60 demographics. The lessons and assignments for table saw operations and horizontal boring operations have been completed and tested. Testing for horizontal routing, disc sanding, spindle turning, and bowl turning will be starting shortly in that order. Please send me a private message if you are interested along with which machine operations.
Testers need to own one of the following models: Mark 4, Mark 7, Mark 520S, or a Mark V 520.
JPG
What has age got to do with any of it? It ain't about users. It is about how to . . . .
Or for that matter ss model if one is only a tester and not a photo subject.
stephen_a._draper
Today I had the final Zoom meeting with the Field Testers for the Shopsmith Mark 4/7/520 Self Study Course. They are currently testing the very last assignment in the course. Nicholas Cupps, the current owner of Shopsmith has been kept in the loop from the very beginning and all content has been shared with him. However, he has expressed no interest at all in Shopsmith being involved in this project.
Copyright of all materials is in progress with the US Copyright Office. Publication and Distribution avenues are being developed. Please share with me any ideas you may have.
JPG
However, he has expressed no interest at all in Shopsmith being involved in this project.
Gee I wonder why! :rolleyes:
