CFLs and utility lights

paulmcohen · Post by **paulmcohen** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 2:06 am

dusty wrote:I'm sorry, Paul but it is all about the laws of supply and demand.

What you are missing is "capital", if a business sells overseas because of current tax laws it makes no economic sense to bring the money back to the US. So companies have billions of dollars overseas, they can leave it there doing nothing or invest in new facilities overseas. When you need 100's of millions of dollars to start a new plan and your money is already overseas it is just much easier and you don't have to deal with unions, Obama-care, crazy regulations...

Cost of labor is not the biggest issue for a lot of companies moving overseas.

As for the delivery of newspapers, the kid on the bike was not paid minimum wage, he relied on tips and he most likely was under 16. Today, between child safety laws and minimum wage those kind of jobs have gone away. As have child run lemonade stands because of food handling permits, business licenses... We did this to ourselves and we deserve what we got.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 6:14 am

paulmcohen wrote:What you are missing is "capital", if a business sells overseas because of current tax laws it makes no economic sense to bring the money back to the US. So companies have billions of dollars overseas, they can leave it there doing nothing or invest in new facilities overseas. When you need 100's of millions of dollars to start a new plan and your money is already overseas it is just much easier and you don't have to deal with unions, Obama-care, crazy regulations...

Cost of labor is not the biggest issue for a lot of companies moving overseas.

As for the delivery of newspapers, the kid on the bike was not paid minimum wage, he relied on tips and he most likely was under 16. Today, between child safety laws and minimum wage those kind of jobs have gone away. As have child run lemonade stands because of food handling permits, business licenses... We did this to ourselves and we deserve what we got.

NO, I did not rely on tips. The carriers made money by developing their routes and working them. We paid ourselves. Actually, we purchased the newspapers required to service our routes from the Gazette. We delivered to and collected from our customer base. After collecting and paying the Gazette, the money left over was ours.

Yes, I was under sixteen but I believe I probably made more than minimum wage. I can't argue that point because all I have to go on is my memory which doesn't serve me well now. That's more than half a century ago - way back - before Government began protecting us from ourselves.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 10:48 am

paulmcohen wrote: . . . . We did this to ourselves and we deserve what we got.

WE? Not ME! I am for getting rid of that 'stuff'!

Speaking of supply and demand, Who demanded those things? There seems to be an overabundance of folks supplying!

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 11:10 am

foxtrapper wrote:I've used CFL trouble/shop/utility lights, and have used the longer tubed flourescent trouble/drop lights.

Don't like em. The light spectrum isn't as wide, and I can really tell the difference. I can't see things as well as I can with a conventional incadescent bulb.

LED lights are even worse. They can be blindingly bright when shined in my eye, but don't show up anything when aimed away from my face.

Stock up on incadescent bulbs if you wish, and I do understand it. But also understand that they are not going out of production. That's a myth. All that has/is happened is an efficiency standard where the really lousy ones are being dropped. Good incadescent bulbs will continue to be made.

I do not believe there is a incandescent bulb presently made that meets the efficiency standards so in fact incandescent bulbs as we presently know them are going out of production. And this is exactly why GE shut down a plant. Moving the manufacture of the same product to overseas serves no purpose since the law also includes imports.
I think if you research this many companies are faced with having to build new plants to manufacture a new product and it was decided it would be cheaper to do so overseas.

paulmcohen · Post by **paulmcohen** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:10 pm

dusty wrote:NO, I did not rely on tips. The carriers made money by developing their routes and working them. We paid ourselves. Actually, we purchased the newspapers required to service our routes from the Gazette. We delivered to and collected from our customer base. After collecting and paying the Gazette, the money left over was ours.

Yes, I was under sixteen but I believe I probably made more than minimum wage. I can't argue that point because all I have to go on is my memory which doesn't serve me well now. That's more than half a century ago - way back - before Government began protecting us from ourselves.

I know you made more than minimum wage but today you would not be allowed to do it because of minimum wage laws, subcontractor laws and child labor laws.

You were an independent contractor, lots of companies used them in the past to avoid payroll taxes, health insurance, vacation pay, unions... today this is virtually illegal for over 12 months. Give the amount of time it took to build a route, even if it was legal it would be hard to get anyone to do it.

paulmcohen · Post by **paulmcohen** » Fri Sep 30, 2011 5:12 pm

Ed in Tampa wrote:I do not believe there is a incandescent bulb presently made that meets the efficiency standards so in fact incandescent bulbs as we presently know them are going out of production. And this is exactly why GE shut down a plant. Moving the manufacture of the same product to overseas serves no purpose since the law also includes imports.
I think if you research this many companies are faced with having to build new plants to manufacture a new product and it was decided it would be cheaper to do so overseas.

They are only illegal in the US, most of the rest of the world still uses them and the US can no longer supply the demand with product made in the US.

There is already a black market in 150 watt bulbs locally, they cost over $15 each and going up. You can only find get them if you know a supplier personally.

keakap · Post by **keakap** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:29 pm

Been getting away from those CFBs every chance.
[My wife now agrees, since I showed her a story of a woman who had a CFL break in her walk-in clothes closet and made the mistake of calling the HazMat folks, as the gummint dictates. Thousands of bucks of cleanup later, by 7 different govt "agencies", she was made to throw away-- excuse my momentary stupidity, that is "ordered" to have another gvt "agency" throw away-- all, as in every stitch, the contents of that closet. Many many more thousands of $$, gone. For 1-- that is ONE-- &%*$^#$@ "money saving" light bulb.]

I don't notice flicker, but flourescents after not a long time make my eyes feel as if I'd just come in from a Saharan dust storm. Hate 'em.

I also have found that the CFBs we did use before we wized up did NOT last as long as regular bulbs. Repeat, did NOT.

Btw, notice how many times the name GE has been mentioned in this thread? You know, the "corporation" (which incidentally is relatively immune from today's idiot protestors) whose CEO lives in the White House, sitting at the right hand of The Messiah, and which continues to cut thousands more American jobs and create greater numbers of overseas jobs while paying net zero income taxes?

That one.

pennview · Post by **pennview** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 2:40 pm

I found some incandescent bulbs at Walmart the other day on an end cap, so there were plenty of them. Four 60W or 100W bulbs for 96 cents.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sat Oct 15, 2011 3:08 pm

pennview wrote:I found some incandescent bulbs at Walmart the other day on an end cap, so there were plenty of them. Four 60W or 100W bulbs for 96 cents.

Made WHERE? Were they GE or Phillips?

pennview · Post by **pennview** » Sun Oct 16, 2011 7:42 am

Distributed by OSRAM SYLVANIA Inc., 835 Washington Road, St. Marys, PA 15857-3699 -- Made in USA

I was surprised to see that they were made in the U.S. Next time I'm at the Walmart, I think I'll be stocking up.