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No, not to the funny farm but I am about ready.
After months (years actually) of planning, thinking, flip-flopping, U turns, back pedaling... I have closely studied the possibility of putting my woodshop in about every building on this farm and the option of building new. I have already moved it a couple of times over the years but this time is different. At my current age and level of busyness I know that this needs to be it... I think... Maybe... :rolleyes:
Drum-roll please... The basement... A 24' X 40' room with its own outside entrance and a quick trot down the stairs from the living room above it.
I was very seriously considering moving the woodshop from our former store (converted to a huge family room for some years before we moved to this much larger house maybe 6 years ago) where the woodshop is now up into the main part of our old house. Lots of good possibilities there but I was fairly recently reminded of the large demand for rental houses locally and the high rent rates they are now commanding. Rather than chopping up the inside of that house for a shop I decided that having a little over a grand a month coming in extra each month would maybe do more for me and my shop budget than moving the shop there. I was really feeling bad about the thought of chopping that nice house up to open it up.
That house has a lot going for it like being in the country but only a stones throw from the city limits and only 2 miles from an I-74 interchange which is less than 25 miles from Indianapolis. The house will include a double horse shelter and a couple of acres of grass pasture.
I briefly considered moving the woodshop back in with the farm shop in the old barn to get it closer to the house but there is no way you could get it warm even if you sat it on fire plus it would be impossible to run AC there.
Several factors really steered me toward the basement shop. Huge is the complete elimination of extra heating and cooling cost. Not a small factor at all in Central Indiana. As big of a factor maybe too is being able to just walk downstairs and putter any time in any weather. No coat, no waiting for the shop and tools to warm up. I am up puttering around at all times of the night anyway, I might as well be working wood. :)
It is going to work out well. While I do wish it had another foot of ceiling height it is over 8' and I used to work with a much lower one. It is pretty well wired and has 10 outlets and plenty of places where I can add more if needed. The main house electrical entrance (it has 2) is only 3' from this big room and has room for expansion. The concrete floor is very smooth but still hard.
Walling this 24' X 40' area off from the rest of the basement will be very easy, there is nothing in the way. OK, there is a lot of stuff sitting in the way but nothing attached :rolleyes:
The hardest part will be the new outside exit. Not really a problem either but I will need to do it quickly before the ground freezes.
I am already moving some small stuff but the original outside entrance to the other part of the basement under the "old" part of the house is not very convenient for moving anything of any size (like about half of my machinery). I also need to remove an old heavy 21 cu. ft. chest freezer and there is no way it will weave around through that old basement and up those kind of narrow stairs.
It is really quite a relief to be moving along in one direction, finally...
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I think you made a great choice! I lucked out when I got the shop I have now. We bought a wreck of a house and totally rebuilt it. I used a 16x30 section of the walkout basement for my shop.

I was able to have the shop wired for shop use. Have plenty of overhead outlets as well as wall. Step-stool up to an outlet allows me to plug in most tools so I'm not tripping on an extension cord. Also made it easier for the 6 flourescent shop lights I put in. With the insulation we put back into the house on the rebuild, the basement is very cool in the summer, and surprisingly warm in the winter. I've only had one instance where it got too hot for me when I was fiberglassing a boat in the summer (epoxy resin dramatically increased the temp in the shop) and twice where it was too cool in the winter. A space heater quickly remedied the situation in the winter.

The very BEST addition was the garage door. I can back the truck or car up to the door and unload in bad weather. I was also able to get the boat out that I built. Even if I wasn't planning on either of those two things happening, it sure is nice to be able to roll just about everything out of the shop for the occasional huge cleaning or re-arranging.

The only other suggestion I could offer would be the floor. I had a 50 year old concrete floor that had never had anything put on it. I filled the cracks and then used an epoxy latex with paint specks to cover the whole floor. Made it a lot easier to sweep and vacuum.

Can't wait to see some pics on how you set your shop up! Still trying to find the "perfect" setup on mine!
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Distance is the problem. I was free on Saturday between 1-4 and I would've hepled you bust out that small project start to finish...but the drive..
We could have traded woodworking knowledge for raw "move my stuff" skills.:rolleyes:
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mccool wrote:Can't wait to see some pics on how you set your shop up! Still trying to find the "perfect" setup on mine!



I just changed the dimensions on the first message above. I had it as 20' X 40' but it is 24' X 40'. I don't think I have a building on the place with a 20' dimension on it. Not sure where I pulled that 20' from...

I just about have that "perfect" setup thing handled. I only have a couple of things even in the shop that is not on some kind of wheels... :) I guess the only thing I still need wheels on that I cannot easily pick up and carry is my work bench. I want to put a set of flip under casters on it where you lift one end and flip a hinged caster mount back under the bench and let it down on them.
When I get it all done I want everything in the shop except me on wheels. :) Even my wood storage. Everything on the walls will be on French cleats, either on individual hangers or on hanging panels hung from the cleats.
I would about kill for drive in access but it is not practical for me due to only slight slope from the house. To cut a self draining driveway I would have to cut it to a point about 800' from the house. :D
My choice is to excavate a rectangular area where the door will be that is about about 8' X 12'. One side will have a set of steps. Heavy stuff will be lowered into the flat area by a tractor with a loader then rolled through the door. I hope to put some "out-doorsey" stuff there like a park bench and a birdbath, maybe a few feeders etc. I just want it to be a nice place to walk out and sit a bit in nice weather.
Even though the basement has very good foundation drainage I want to slope the outdoor spot floor away from the house a little and install a sump and sump-pump in an outside corner "just in case". Initially that floor will be a bed of crushed stone and later topped with flagstone or pavers.
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When I lived in Ohio I had a shop in the basement. I had a walk out stairway and when the house was built I had them install a 4 1/2 foot wide window in the shop area that I could slide sheet stock in and out.

Two things I learned. Don't put any walls up solid to the floor joist, they will carry sound right up into the house. I stopped the shop wall joist about an inch short and then used dry wall to seal the joint.

Second if you are going to do any type of finishing in the basement make sure you have a fan that will create a negative pressure in your shop. I once sprayed something in shop. The over spray traveled out of the shop around the corner and up the stairs and under the door to turn our white tile floor a interesting shade of pink. Luckily for me the overspray was totally dry by the time it made the trip and a dust mop removed the pink cast. But it was a lesson learned.

I then installed a heavy explosion proof fan and sprayed again. This time the siding on my neighbors house was pink. Again luckly for me it washed off. Lesson number 2 learned. I put a filter on my fan. End of story.

Insulate the floor over your shop to cut down noise and stop any dust penetration. Suspend your electric from the floor joists so you can have them every where.

It is nice to be able to run down to the shop in the middle of winter to touch up a project or fix something. It is also nice to be working down there in a cold winters night and know you can run up and get a cup of hot coffee anytime you want.

When winter dragged on I would go to the shop in the evening and make fishing lures dreaming of all the fish I was going to catch as soon as the miserable snow and cold left. Nothing better than nice cup of coffee, some lure making supplies and perhaps the Radio tuned to Parrie Home Companion or the TV tuned to the Red Green show to get you through a long winter.
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Ed in Tampa wrote:Two things I learned. Don't put any walls up solid to the floor joist, they will carry sound right up into the house. I stopped the shop wall joist about an inch short and then used dry wall to seal the joint.


I will be building a wall about 24' long between the block post in three 8' sections. It will be 4' tall (OSB sideways) That will be about an inch off of the floor. The floor NEVER gets wet but I will raise it that inch just in case. I will seal the gap by using flexible vinyl baseboard then if something bad happens water will not wick up into the OSB. From the top of the OSB up to the beam will be the extra clear vinyl storm window material so I can see the rest of the basement including the inside stairs.
I have a window made with that stuff in the existing shop that I have had there several years. I was concerned that it would get covered with dust due to static but is has never been a problem. Easy and cheap to repair if I shove a board through it and no glass to sweep up. :)


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1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
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