Disc Sander Table Insert

alfatipo · Post by **alfatipo** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 11:04 am

Is it worth getting the dedicated one (new as they do not come up for sale used) or chopping up a standard insert (dado might work too)?

Any thoughts? I could recycle my chewed up insert. I could get a good/better used one for the saw as they come up more often on eBay.

What would be good slot dimensions?

Did you catch the NPR story on potential saw safety regs today? Story here.

Happy New year to all.

beeg · Post by **beeg** » Thu Dec 29, 2011 1:26 pm

How about making your own table insert?

alfatipo · Post by **alfatipo** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:53 am

Make my own? That was the reason for the post. Is it worth getting the 'Official' Shopsmith insert or modifying something else.

Making an insert from scratch seems like a lot of work. The insert is a tool to accomplish something not a project in itself (for me at this point anyway). You could use Delrin or something (wood inserts are not an option) similar but it makes more sense to buy the damn Shopsmith product. Then again, a 3D printer might be fun to try.

The SS I picked up recently had several homemade inserts that were crap. I am using them as packing to balance a cabinet, the rest went in the dumpster.

Crazy as it might sound I am attempting to use the Shopsmith as a production tool. It will probably only be used for horizontal boring and the disc sander has been quite excellent. Even found the fence pusher in the box I got with the machine. I thought my fingers were getting a little too close to the spinning disc.

Need to obtain and read the Power Tool Woodworking book. I have printed out pages as needed.

I'm probably a Shopsmith Heretic. I also have a weakness for Italian cars and all that entails. I have an Alfa Romeo GTV6 sharing space with the woodworking shop. Spent the entire day rearranging everything to improve workflow. Just made me want to work on the car again.

The Alfa Romeo Giulietta below (UK OK, I'm a Brit - I built that fence, 22 panels with concrete posts) was the first new car I ever had (1983). Even flirtations with a (truly wonderful) 1968 Bonneville convertible in the early 90's failed to distract me long-term.

Is that considered off-subject?

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 9:57 am

alfatipo wrote:Make my own? That was the reason for the post. Is it worth getting the 'Official' Shopsmith insert or modifying something else.

Making an insert from scratch seems like a lot of work. The insert is a tool to accomplish something not a project in itself (for me at this point anyway). You could use Delrin or something (wood inserts are not an option) similar but it makes more sense to buy the damn Shopsmith product. Then again, a 3D printer might be fun to try.

The SS I picked up recently had several homemade inserts that were crap. I am using them as packing to balance a cabinet, the rest went in the dumpster.

Crazy as it might sound I am attempting to use the Shopsmith as a production tool. It will probably only be used for horizontal boring and the disc sander has been quite excellent. Even found the fence pusher in the box I got with the machine. I thought my fingers were getting a little too close to the spinning disc.

Need to obtain and read the Power Tool Woodworking book. I have printed out pages as needed.

I'm probably a Shopsmith Heretic. I also have a weakness for Italian cars and all that entails. I have an Alfa Romeo GTV6 sharing space with the woodworking shop. Spent the entire day rearranging everything to improve workflow. Just made me want to work on the car again.

The Alfa Romeo Giulietta below (UK OK, I'm a Brit - I built that fence, 22 panels with concrete posts) was the first new car I ever had (1983). Even flirtations with a (truly wonderful) 1968 Bonneville convertible in the early 90's failed to distract me long-term.

Is that considered off-subject?

Who cares? Not I!

Now about the virtual pix . . . .

Sounds to me like yer mind is already made up re buy/make!;)

Yes the disc can get quite aggressive doing skin abrading - especially when wedged between the disc and fence!:eek:

Re acquired wood inserts - perhaps a poor choice of species.

alfatipo · Post by **alfatipo** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 1:28 pm

JPG: Species? Hardboard! Mind you, the previous user had also managed to saw through the plastic dust collector part of the lower guard and don't get me started on what he had done (more undone) with the miter gauge grip.

I'll probably buy a disc sander insert but I'll wait until I 'need' something else to max shipping value.

As an aside, I checked the shop-vac when I was pulling the shop apart and there was no detectable contents in it. The Dust Deputy cyclone really does an amazing job.

But I do need to work out how to make it quieter. I'm thinking a tube (6-8") with many holes inside another tube (8-10") with fiberglass in between like a giant muffler attached to the top of the vac? I'm pretty sure sure a lot of sound comes out the outlet. I'll see if I can measure it with a sound pressure meter (if I can find it; don't get to set up home theaters that often).

robinson46176 · Post by **robinson46176** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 2:24 pm

A quick Google image search on:
Central vacuum muffler
brings up a lot of hits like this one. I didn't chase prices but I seem to recall from my old vac shop days that such mufflers could be found pretty cheaply.
http://www.beamvac.com/usa/beam_systems/acc_sound_off.aspx

Some folks also just vent their vacs outside.

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JPG · Post by **JPG** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:13 pm

alfatipo wrote:JPG: Species? Hardboard! . . .

Yes I meant that as well(albietly very loosely). MDF does work there! Just not very durable!;)

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:16 pm

robinson46176 wrote:A quick Google image search on:
Central vacuum muffler
brings up a lot of hits like this one. I didn't chase prices but I seem to recall from my old vac shop days that such mufflers could be found pretty cheaply.
http://www.beamvac.com/usa/beam_systems/acc_sound_off.aspx

Some folks also just vent their vacs outside.

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Get two(reduces noise 50%) and it would be silent!:D:rolleyes:

robinson46176 · Post by **robinson46176** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:37 pm

JPG40504 wrote:Get two(reduces noise 50%) and it would be silent!:D:rolleyes:

No... Since each one only reduces the noise by 50% the second one would only reduce the noise by 50% of the 50% that is left after the first one which would leave 25% of the original noise... And on pretty much into infinity...

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JPG · Post by **JPG** » Fri Dec 30, 2011 4:54 pm

robinson46176 wrote:No... Since each one only reduces the noise by 50% the second one would only reduce the noise by 50% of the 50% that is left after the first one which would leave 25% of the original noise... And on pretty much into infinity...

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means not necessarily 'serious'. It don't belong on your post! - Those be facts!

That is the hardest thing to explain to certain female acquaintances of mine!

She cannot under stand why 50% off and 20% off leaves 40% instead of 30%. (secret is to use '50% left and 80% left when figgering.) Thus 50%(.5) x 80%(.8) = 40%(.4)