Oneida Dust Deputy

[Billdit]

I'll post when I've tried the drum... I am going to SHOT SHOW in Las Vegas for a week or so ... will be after that when I try this set up (after 23rd or so).

[JPG]

I'll post when I've tried the drum... I am going to SHOT SHOW in Las Vegas for a week or so ... will be after that when I try this set up (after 23rd or so).

Keep yer powder dry!

Ditto on posting 'results'.

I will be using it with both a small vac and the dc(not at the same time!).

[Billdit]

It Works !! It works !!

I fastened the Dust Deputy on metal top of the 30 Gal. fiber drum, hooked up the central vac to it and voila ! it works like a champ . It really sucks!

Pictures to follow... Will this forum allow me to post a video?

[heathicus]

Resurrecting an old thread here... Trying to save some money but have a good dust collection. I had been thinking about the Horrible Freight dust collector, but that is still a bit more than I want to spend.

So I was thinking about just using a Dust Deputy with my shop vac. Or maybe a trash can with a Thiel baffle. Would this be sufficient as the sole dust collection system in a small workshop? Can I get a 1 micron filter for my Craftsman shop vac? Or should I run the output outside?

[JPG]

Resurrecting an old thread here... Trying to save some money but have a good dust collection. I had been thinking about the Horrible Freight dust collector, but that is still a bit more than I want to spend.

So I was thinking about just using a Dust Deputy with my shop vac. Or maybe a trash can with a Thiel baffle. Would this be sufficient as the sole dust collection system in a small workshop? Can I get a 1 micron filter for my Craftsman shop vac? Or should I run the output outside?

Having just mounted a DD(kit) on a defunct shop vac drum/top(16 gallon), I can recommend its use with a vac. Truth be told, it seems to move debris better than the SS DC, but fine dust elimination is an unknown.

It probably does not matter where the vac exhaust goes, but if concerned about fine dust, release it out side.

2" hoses a minimum. The DD takes 2" and 2 1/4" hoses.

[backhertz]

Dust control in a wood shop is a serious issue. Sure, you can see the wood chips and a decent collector will pick them up, but the dust is very tiny in some cases and unless you have a lot of money to buy a 5 hp dust cyclone which has a capability of 1000 cfm, you are almost chasing your tail.

Bill Pentz is a person I know who has devoted a lot of time & research into dust collection. http://billpentz.com/woodworking/cyclone/index.cfm His only endorsed design is only made by Clear Vue cyclones: http://www.clearvuecyclones.com/

Clear Vue made the original tiny dust collector that Oneida now sells as the Dust Deputy. Clear Vue was selling their version long before Oneida, but I guess never patented the product- I am speculating here. But I was going to buy a small Clear Vue when I learned Clear Vue was not permitted to sell them any more. Why? I don't know. For most of us here, I do not think many can afford a huge $1500-2000 dust cyclone as we are hobbiests and our money i used to buy tools. But a small one would be perfect. Oh, I got to use a Lie-Nielsen hand plan on Saturday when I picked up my latest 510 & what a please it was to use.

I was going to build a wood workshop in my basement until I started communicating with Bill Pentz and learned of the hazards of dust that just can't be seen. My wife has bad lungs as a result of smoking many years before she had no choice but to quit. So I had an extension built on the rear of my garage so there is sharing of the air of the house & the shop. We're going on year 38 of being married and I want her to be able to continue breathing as best as she can, as well as myself.

Clear Vue was forced to stop production of their Mini Cyclone, but I know it is or was in litigation and I see on the Clear Vue site that Clear Vue is selling them once again. The original owner of Clear Vue was bought out and the new owners are doing well to my knowledge in selling the product which is based on Bill Pentz's design. A dust cyclone is something actually called a swirl tube and has been around for years. I've seen them on factory buildings when I was a kid many moons ago.

However, many of the cyclones sold are okay, but could perform much better in my understanding if they were properly powered. Many wood workers don't have 220 VAC or 3 phase power to power a 3-phase 5 HP motor. You could always wear a mask (yuck), ensure your shop is well ventilated, and use ceiling mounted dust filters that simply suck & filter the air in the shop. I imagine if you ask experienced people their opinions, you'll get 10 different answers.

I also know many older guys in their 80's and older who have turned wood much of their lives and suffered no bad side effects. But I believe it's better to be safer than sorry. I know some wood dust is just toxic to human body. Here is a list:
http://mnwoodturners.com/New_Member_Doc ... Chart.html

I enjoy breathing. Yet I see people smoke and do not understand why. But wood working is like smoking in that we are able to do what we want to- whether it is harmful or not. But we should be careful & safe as I always seem to read or listen to others at the beginning of a wood working show or presentation that safety by reading the manufacturer's literature, protecting our eyes, removing items which might get caught- i.e. long shirt sleeves and for gals & guys who have very long hair to tie it up. But in my humble opinion, our lungs have more stuff going into them than we can see on a daily basis. If you are a woodworker, you should also do your best to keep those tiny particles from getting in your lungs.

As I sit here typing this, I just remembered the guy in MA who lost some fingers because he didn't follow or read the instructions on a portable table saw. I believe he was an immigrant. I have nothing against immigrants as my grandfather was one too. Well, here is a link: http://www.finewoodworking.com/item/251 ... aw-lawsuit

He is winning $1.5 million because the Ryobi table saw he misused was not equipped with Saw Stop technology. Not because he was feeding the wood too fast into the saw or following the safety instructions which were not printed in his language. The Saw Stop feature scares the you know what out of me as a guy demonstrated it to me & never warned me that it would be loud. So when will someone sue a lathe manufacturer for not ensuring the lathe had a dust protection feature and because of the lack there of, is now suffering from breathing issues or permanent lung damage?

What happened to common sense? That guy was honest and admitted in another story that he was not following the instructions in safe operation. At least he was honest. Will we all be required to be trained and licensed in order to use wood tools? Wood tools can kill- yet fortunately, no one has considered ever using for killing or attempting to kill another with a wood working tool or machine and then the injured party suing the tool manufacturer to my knowledge. People need to be aware of the hazards of their actions whether they be with or on a lathe, a planer, a table saw, or a gun. I better get off my soapbox now.

Just be safe and be careful always. I have a brother-in-law who doesn't believe in using the anti-kickback features on his table saw... I barely escaped a piece of oak he was cutting get kicked back- not at him, but at me as I was walking up behind him. But it's his choice. But I know to never walk up behind a table saw when it is being used. One just never knows.

[jeff__130]

Gents,
I've definitely got to come up with a better solution for dust collection. I've read that the Dust Deputy plastic is prone to shattering but that it works great. Does anyone have any comparison between the Dust Deputy and the Rockler Dustright Vortex? They seem to work on the same principle but the walls of the Vortex seems a bit flimsy to take the abuse of getting hit (accidentally) with lumber or the inevitable bike wheel that will crash into it. If anyone has any other suggestions, I game. I own a ShopVac that's going to do the lifting. Thanks guys.

Jeff

[JPG]

I cannot offer first hand experience with the Vortex, but do recommend the Dust Deputy. At least is is closer to a cyclone, and 'operates' like one. I think the vortex is a compromise. The dust deputy is subject to inadvertent damage from pulling or tipping over. Its design does not provide much support. I think the DD would benefit from a slight downward deflection at the inlet. I have not tried that yet. A small shop vac creates so much velocity that the larger particles tend to lag in dropping into the cone because of their radial velocity. That was observed while creating considerable volume by planing a 10" slab.

DD is smaller(easier to store) than a vortex(needs emptying less often, but gets heavier).

I mounted my DD on a SV 16g that I removed the defunct motor etc from.

So far I like it. Works with either the DC3300 or an 8 gal SV.

[pennview]

If you want really fine dust to stay inside your shop vac, you need an HEPA-type filter, but they're expensive in comparison to the standard filters. I believe that Home Depot's Rigid vac and the Sears vac use the same filter, but double check if you buy one from Home Depot for you Craftsman vac.

If you put the shop vac or dust collector outside, the really fine dust that escapes from either one will be outside too, so you won't need any special filters or bags. But, picking up the really fine dust from you tools is still an issue that outside venting doesn't address.

[mountainbreeze]

I always wanted a dust collection system but my small shop (a 2-car garage that has 2 cars parked in it ) would not allow it. When I read about the Dust Deputy I thought I'd give it a try. I got the kit that includes the buckets, hoses, and the miscellaneous parts and pieces. I installed it per the instructions, attaching it to the side of my Shop Vac. It worked great and no debris ever appeared in the the Shop Vac container. What I didn't like was the way it all went together - it was quite a contraption that was unwieldy to move around and it took up too much of my precious shop real estate. I also did not like the stress that was constantly being put on the base of the Dust Deputy by the hoses.

I decided that since nothing was ever collected in the Shop Vac container, it could be a lot smaller and have the same effect. I discovered that the business part of the Shop Vac fit perfectly on a 5 gallon bucket - even the clamps worked. After a little modification work and putting to use some MDF that was given to me, this is what I came up with. Now, it is much smaller, easy to move around, and there is no longer any stress on the base of the Dust Deputy. It’s perfect for my (very) small shop.

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