Saw Stop makes local paper

[dusty]

I see my earlier post have been deleted out, okay I will play nice.

Nobody has addressed the issue of what happens when this technology if mandated increases the cost of the saw to point no one will buy it.

Sawstop has claimed that including cost little yet when no one would use their technology they built their own saws. Their saws while very nice are almost double the price of a similar saw. For instance the Ridgid T3650 which I believe to be a very excellent machine costs around $600 the Sawstop contractor saw costs (the last I looked) $1800. Even a Delta contractor saw costs under a $1000.


The saw that caused this accident I believe was cheap Ryobi that costs less than $200. When you install this technology on this saw, based on the Gass' own costs, it would be very close to $400.

That cost difference is enough to make a person decide not to buy the saw in the first place.

So while we MAY prevent injury we most certainly will be costing some people their jobs.

When Gass prevails, will anyone have an option to not buy at that price; yes, but only if one decides to go without a saw. If you would buy, you pay the new going price.

[terrydowning]

There is of course this option if you're willing

$10 and you're cutting wood. Garage sales could are probably even cheaper. Re; Framer's 50 cent saw. and Gass doesn't get a dime.

http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware-Hand-Tools-Cutting-Tools-Hand-Saws/h_d1/N-5yc1vZarg9/R-100618795/h_d2/ProductDisplay?catalogId=10053&langId=-1&storeId=10051

[dusty]

That hand saw looks vaguely like an old Stanley that I once possessed. Lost, if I remember correctly, in a home break-in many years ago. I liked it and just may go get one of these.

Being made by Buck Bros. makes it even more attractive to me.

Garage sales are always an option. It is amazing what one can own when leaving a garage sale. I have a dear relative who I believe shops garage sales first and then goes to Sears.

[JPG]

There is of course this option if you're willing

$10 and you're cutting wood. Garage sales could are probably even cheaper. Re]http://www.homedepot.com/Tools-Hardware ... reId=10051[/URL]

To use that saw, I would have to shorten MY arm!:D

Wonder how well it rips?:rolleyes:

[terrydowning]

Not necessarily that particular saw. It was meant as a representation that there are some saws that most likely (hopefully) will not fall prey to lawyers like Gass. Yes, Gass is a lawyer not a tool maker/designer or engineer. From what I can tell, he holds the patents, wants the money, and doesn't particularly care how he gets it.

[algale]

Not necessarily that particular saw. It was meant as a representation that there are some saws that most likely (hopefully) will not fall prey to lawyers like Gass. Yes, Gass is a lawyer not a tool maker/designer or engineer. From what I can tell, he holds the patents, wants the money, and doesn't particularly care how he gets it.

Actually in addition to being a patent lawyer, Gass has an engineering degree and personally built the prototype himself. He also is a life-long hobbiest woodworker who has used table saws since he was old enough to see over them (at least that was his testimony).

Personally, I never understand why people are forever dredging up the fact that Gass is a lawyer as if that fact has any bearing on the issue or would make any difference to their own position (usually anti-Gass).

Tell me, if Gass wasn't a lawyer but a "professional tool designer" and yet he did everything else exactly the way he has done it (invent SawStop, patent the technology, offer the license to the PTI companies and then try to get a mandate from CPSC when the PTI companies blew him off), would it make any difference to you or anyone else.?

[JPG]

Actually in addition to being a patent lawyer, Gass has an engineering degree and personally built the prototype himself. He also is a life-long hobbiest woodworker who has used table saws since he was old enough to see over them (at least that was his testimony).

Personally, I never understand why people are forever dredging up the fact that Gass is a lawyer as if that fact has any bearing on the issue or would make any difference to their own position (usually anti-Gass).

Tell me, if Gass wasn't a lawyer but a "professional tool designer" and yet he did everything else exactly the way he has done it (invent SawStop, patent the technology, offer the license to the PTI companies and then try to get a mandate from CPSC when the PTI companies blew him off), would it make any difference to you or anyone else.?

I do give the man credit for his inventiveness and design thinking.

He has overcome some significant requirements to accomplish the goal.

However he is mimicking Xerox(copying machines a while back in time) by obtaining so many patents on the design(over 70 AIUI). Having that many patents for a single system has got to be an attempt to preclude others from developing their own system so as to force them to license his patents.

I truly believe had he offered a more reasonable licensing cost, the PTI folks would have bought in to it.

As for the negative attitude towards lawyers, in his case he is using his legal expertise(only costs him his time) to promote his system. I think he was smarter than the Ryobi lawyers in the Osario case in that he knew the legalities and what the jury(?) needed to hear. IMHO he mislead them. Sorta like Chicken Little. I have no other explanation for the finding except the 'finders' probably had little or no experience with power tools.

Again you have me at a disadvantage my not having the court record to peruse. Had I been one of those 'finders', my conclusions would probably been different(again I was not there etc.).

Feel free to again point out faulty conclusions.

[Ed in Tampa]

Tell me, if Gass wasn't a lawyer but a "professional tool designer" and yet he did everything else exactly the way he has done it (invent SawStop, patent the technology, offer the license to the PTI companies and then try to get a mandate from CPSC when the PTI companies blew him off), would it make any difference to you or anyone else.?

I would be totally surprised!!! Since I expect see the behavior he is exhibiting only from a lawyer. For a non lawyer to do that would surprise me.

[JPG]

I would be totally surprised!!! Since I expect see the behavior he is exhibiting only from a lawyer. For a non lawyer to do that would surprise me.

Me Too!

Or a politician.





Wait most are lawyers!:eek:

[algale]

I truly believe had he offered a more reasonable licensing cost, the PTI folks would have bought in to it.

. He offered Ryobi 3% which would have jumped to 8% if all the PTI companies had taken a license. In your opinion, what would have been reasonable to ask. Then ask, why didn't the PTI companies (other than Ryobi) offer Gass anything?

As for the negative attitude towards lawyers, in his case he is using his legal expertise(only costs him his time) to promote his system.
I think he was smarter than the Ryobi lawyers in the Osario case in that he knew the legalities and what the jury(?) needed to hear. IMHO he mislead them. Sorta like Chicken Little. I have no other explanation for the finding except the 'finders' probably had little or no experience with power tools.

Ryobi was represented by some of the best products liability lawyers in the business, far more experienced than Gass who never practiced as a trial lawyer. More importantly how can you say Gass mislead the jury -- essentially a charge of perjudy --when you admit don't even know what he said? Come on, have some small degree of fairness to the guy. Even Ryobi's lawyers didn't once suggest Gass was misleading anybody.