The Affordable HealthCare Decision

[fredsheldon]

I hope you know you rested your case on a house of cards.

4 years ago the S&P was 6150 nearly reflecting the actual value of the stock it represented. Today is is 13,000 nearly 2 1/2 times the value of what the stock actually represents.

If thinks go bust again which I can't see how they won't you may find your retirement is less than 1/3 what it is today. That my friend is what I call a house of cards.

Why do you think the Government is keeping bank deposit dividends so low. To force people into the house of cards called the stock market. It is a ponzi scheme it must be feed or it will collapse.

Ed,

The 180 million folks who have invested in what the previous administration has suggested to be the safe place to divert social security payments sure hope you are dead wrong.

[pennview]

Fred, you missed one point and it was the major one -- VOLUNTARY!

[swampgator]

First mistake, this is not health-care reform, it is health insurance reform and so far all it has done is increase my health insurance cost 50% since being signed into law and provided me a bunch of mandatory services I will never use.

Mine is different than yours. From 2000 up to this past year my premiums, copay and coinsurance has tripled. This year for the first time, it went down, but medicine copays are now up to 15%. When I retired in 2003, my insurance premiums were $198 per month. In 2008, my premiums were $410 per month. From 2008 to now, the premiums have gone up only $30 per month. Sure does bite into a fixed income in which I am penalized for working. And, the $87 million to start the war in Iraq was "borrowed" from civil service retirement fund. There is no intent to pay it back and now they wish to reduce our retirement (and that of military) by 25 to 33 percent. If you were a member of National Association of Active and Retired Federal Employees (NARFE) you could read this information. So much for serving our country.

[paulmcohen]

You are obviously better informed about the Affordable Health Care Program than I am. How did you learn about the "mandatory services" that are provided by Affordable Health Care? What are those services?

Smoking, drug and Alcohol Secession, free preventive care, free contraception are the ones that bother me the most but there are many more.

[paulmcohen]

Here's another example of GREED.

Charity is not noble at the point of a gun.

If GREED is me being about to keep some of the money I worked my life for then call me GREEDY.

[paulmcohen]

Ed,

The 180 million folks who have invested in what the previous administration has suggested to be the safe place to divert social security payments sure hope you are dead wrong.

They never said invest in the Stock Market they said own your own Social Security Acount. If you are under ~50 you will never seen the money you put in Social Security, if you are over 65 you will get many times what you actually put in.

The few places in the US that allow private Social Security accounts the average retiree gets monthly payments 5-20X what Social Security would have paid and the money is theirs. When they die the money goes where they want (less death taxes).


Social Security is the the biggest Ponzi Scheme every dreamed of.

[paulmcohen]

Mine is different than yours. From 2000 up to this past year my premiums, copay and coinsurance has tripled. This year for the first time, it went down, but medicine copays are now up to 15%. When I retired in 2003, my insurance premiums were $198 per month. In 2008, my premiums were $410 per month. From 2008 to now, the premiums have gone up only $30 per month. Sure does bite into a fixed income in which I am penalized for working. And, the $87 million to start the war in Iraq was "borrowed" from civil service retirement fund. There is no intent to pay it back and now they wish to reduce our retirement (and that of military) by 25 to 33 percent. If you were a member of National Association of Active and Retired Federal Employees (NARFE) you could read this information. So much for serving our country.

You are penalized for working because you don't own your own retirement money, it was never really yours. I am retired but way younger (not eligible for Medicare for 10 years) but my monthly health insurance payments went from $900 per month in 2010 to $1,350 today.

[algale]

You are penalized for working because you don't own your own retirement money, it was never really yours. I am retired but way younger (not eligible for Medicare for 10 years) but my monthly health insurance payments went from $900 per month in 2010 to $1,350 today.

The fact that your healthcare went up in cost after 2010 is neither proof that the increase was caused by ObamaCare nor proof that the increase would not have been greater without it.

[dusty]

Smoking, drug and Alcohol Secession, free preventive care, free contraception are the ones that bother me the most but there are many more.

Those are elective programs except prebentive care. Why would you not want preventive care. Are there any "mandatory services"?

[dusty]

You are penalized for working because you don't own your own retirement money, it was never really yours. I am retired but way younger (not eligible for Medicare for 10 years) but my monthly health insurance payments went from $900 per month in 2010 to $1,350 today.

WOW that is a bundle for health insurance. You've been retired for a while now. Did you opt out of the company health plan.