Really? You retired but your retirement plan offers no medical coverage until Medicare takes over. At the rate things are going then, I would say that you might not have medical coverage at all unless you maintain that insurance. Medicare is going to go bust before you are eligible.paulmcohen wrote:Not eligible for company retirement health plan until I am eligible for Medicare.
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Here is a site where you can read the actual law (have aspirin handy).
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/index.html
There is a huge amount of general health care information on that site including a lot of information directed at seniors.
Read the information, sort out what you like, ignore what you want to, (it won't go away just because you ignore it but you can anyway).
Just don't base your decisions on the extremes from either side and certainly not based on the tripe that is flooding email in-boxes and the likes of facebook etc.
A lot of people are always ready to climb on some band-wagon without even looking to see if it is hitched to a horse.
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http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/index.html
There is a huge amount of general health care information on that site including a lot of information directed at seniors.
Read the information, sort out what you like, ignore what you want to, (it won't go away just because you ignore it but you can anyway).
Just don't base your decisions on the extremes from either side and certainly not based on the tripe that is flooding email in-boxes and the likes of facebook etc.
A lot of people are always ready to climb on some band-wagon without even looking to see if it is hitched to a horse.
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So Farmer, after reviewing the information, how would you rate the plan:robinson46176 wrote:Here is a site where you can read the actual law (have aspirin handy).![]()
http://www.healthcare.gov/law/full/index.html
There is a huge amount of general health care information on that site including a lot of information directed at seniors.
Read the information, sort out what you like, ignore what you want to, (it won't go away just because you ignore it but you can anyway).
Just don't base your decisions on the extremes from either side and certainly not based on the tripe that is flooding email in-boxes and the likes of facebook etc.
A lot of people are always ready to climb on some band-wagon without even looking to see if it is hitched to a horse.![]()
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There's more good than bad in this plan
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There's more bad than good in this plan.
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pennview wrote:Steve, the IRA-like retirement plan I was referring to was the FERS (Federal Employees Retirement System) and specifically the G Fund option that is available to employees under the Thrift Savings Plan (TSP).
This is what the site for that plan says today: "The payment of G Fund principal and interest is guaranteed by the U.S. Government. This means that the U.S. Government will always make the required payments. In other words, your G Fund investment is not subject to credit (default) risk."
The site further states: "Consider investing in the G Fund if you would like to have all or a portion of your TSP account completely protected from loss. If you choose to invest in the G Fund, you are placing a higher priority on the stability and preservation of your money than on the opportunity to potentially achieve greater long-term growth in your account through investment in the other TSP funds."
As I understand it, folks under the Civil Service Retirement System could put savings into the various funds available under FERS, but didn't get matching funds from the government going into their retirement accounts. The government only matched a portion of what an employee saved that was part of the FERS plan.
Folks can go to the TSP web page and see the various options available to federal employees -- https://www.tsp.gov/investmentfunds/fun ... Perf.shtml --
No employee investing exclusively in the G Fund has lost a dime. In fact the average annual return since inception of the funds is 5.86 percent. Last year's return was 2.45 percent. According to the web site, $100 invested in this fund since inception in April 1987 is now worth $410.
You can look at the other funds available and how they've performed by visiting the web site I mentioned above. If you've invested in stocks, the C Fund, you can lose money. If you take the average performance over the past five years of the C Fund, investors lost an average of .2 percent per year. Just looking at the last three years though, they averaged a gain of 14.17 percent. Over the last 10 years, the fund has returned on average 2.94 percent. 2008 was a really, really bad year for stocks and that's why the five year average is so bad. According to the web site, $100 invested at the inception of the C Fund in 1988 would now be worth $832.
And the federal employees have a variety of other options. In addition, the FERS employees pay into Social Security. Participation in the Thrift Savings Plan is voluntary. If someone doesn't want to save for retirement beyond Social Security, they don't have to.
Correction: G Fund has lost 2% since June 2011. It has lost money for the past 10-12 years. G fund is one that most folks I know have shunned because they did not believe the government was that stable and used Social Security for their argument.
F Fund has lost 7.16%]http://tsppilot.com/?gclid=CJeD7KT3grECFdKR7QodKnew2A[/url]
If you could look at NARFE.org website, all the information is there and broken out by years. It's been a loose-loose. You could do better with CD's than with the actual results of this program.
One thing to note, Art, the website you posted is the official website, but it compares overall instead of year by year. Yes, since its inception in 1988, it has grown very well. Starting in the early 2000's, it began its almost constant decline. Had it stayed on the trajectory of the 1990's, it would have increased about 20%. I remember the pressure of trying to get us to convert from CSRS to FERS. Bottom line, I was paying more to get less. But, now it's come to bite me hard in the backside if they do the reduction they are trying to pass right now. Time for more jelly!
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I just love it when she says I can go make sawdust.
Steve, I don't know where you're getting your information, but it doesn't jibe with what the Thrift Savings Plan is publishing about the various funds under its control. Here is what the Thrift Savings Plan web site shows for past performance of the G Fund. This fund is based on investments in short term Treasury Bills -- you can't lose in this fund. As you can see, all of those orange bars are positive. The top left chart is for the past 12 months, while the one on the right is for the past 10 years. There are no losses. There can't be. It would be like losing money on a U.S. Series EE Savings Bond. Can't happen.
Here's the web page if these charts aren't legible -- https://www.tsp.gov/investmentfunds/fun ... Perf.shtml
You can look around this site and get details pertaining to each fund's performance as well.
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Info I posted is from NARFE magazine July 2012. I've been reading their magazine and website for about 20 years. Sorry to disagree with you since these folks are right there in D. C., have access to all the figures, gather data from those who have invested in these funds and can easily run the number. Like in previous post, yes, in years past, it was running in positive, but in the past 10-12 years, it has steadily lost money or at least that's the way it appears on the stubs of those who have it. I didn't invest in it as I simply didn't believe it then and I don't believe their website now. Sales job? Absolutely! Several folks here who had put money in that fund moved their money to other funds so as not to loose any more money. And, they have told me to count my blessings to not have invested in it. Too bad you can't get into the NARFE.org website. You would see that it is very different than the website you post. And, yes, the website you post is the official post in which I have lost much confidence. 
Steve, the old Florida gator
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Steve, if NARFE says that folks invested in the G Fund are loosing money, I'd find another organization to get my information from because they don't know what they are talking about. While this is an old description of the G Fund, it describes the Fund as it was then and as it still is -- http://www.fedsmith.com/article/400/wil ... turns.html
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I'll stick with what I know to be true, Art. The other I have very serious questions about. Spent 35 years of my life working for Feds, but don't believe everything that's on government websites as they use different methods in applying statistics. Been there and done that. Guilt feelings for obeying management. But your website was in 2004, by an outsider who thinks he knows what he is talking about. NARFE is there for us, not outsiders looking in wishing they knew how it worked. In just a few minutes, I can gather at least a dozen folks who have invested in G fund and it is lower than what they've put in. Savings Bonds are not that secure either.
OK, this is my last comment about this issue. I don't know if this is a good idea or not. As stated before, something needs to be done, but I'm not in position to see all the details and facets of this law. But, here is another view. http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/news/ne ... ision.page

OK, this is my last comment about this issue. I don't know if this is a good idea or not. As stated before, something needs to be done, but I'm not in position to see all the details and facets of this law. But, here is another view. http://www.ama-assn.org/ama/pub/news/ne ... ision.page
Steve, the old Florida gator
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I think this thread has generated a good bit of discussion. I'm not sure we have solved anything but it wasn't for the lack of trying:D I will restate what I had said previously, we gave the previous administration 8 years to improve health care and I'm not sure anything really improved but I could be wrong. So how about giving this administration a chance to finish what they started and give them their additional 4 years. Then, if you don't think anything is improved, then kick them out and give a new administration a shot at it. Maybe it's time for a third party to give it a shot.
My PowerPro DIY will be arriving in the morning so I will have something else to worry about so this will be my last post on this subject.
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pennview wrote:It would be like losing money on a U.S. Series EE Savings Bond. Can't happen.
Assuming you ignore real inflation, 1oz of gold in 1919 would purchase a very nice mens suit at a cost of $20 and 1oz of gold will still buy that same suit at $258 but have ~1,200 left over. Inflation from 1919 to this year was 1228.4%. I picked two date but there are online calculators that allow you to do this for any dates. Conservative inflation rates (US goverment calculator) over the past 10 years are 27%.
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Beaverton, OR
A 1982 500 Shopsmith brand upgraded to a Mark 7 PowerPro, Jointer, Bandsaw (with Kreg fence), Strip Sander, Ring Master and lots of accessories all purchased new
12" Sliding Compound Mitre Saw, 1200 CFM DC