True Trac Contractor Table Kit

reible · Post by **reible** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 8:09 pm

A quick run down on the costs involved.

The kit is on sale for $69.99 plus $7.50 shipping (77.49).

The 3/4" x 2' x 4' plywood was $8.21.

The pine was $4.56.

Total $90.26

Plus some time doing woodworking, priceless.

Ed

fjimp · Post by **fjimp** » Fri Aug 24, 2012 9:43 pm

Yes Ed I did notice where you found the kit. I don't mean to be hard on you and apologize. I confess it bugs me when these companies take these kits from someone else and market them so much cheaper. I always wonder if the paid for the idea. Sorry to let the negative side of myself show.

SDSSmith · Post by **SDSSmith** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:21 am

fjimp wrote:Yes Ed I did notice where you found the kit. I don't mean to be hard on you and apologize. I confess it bugs me when these companies take these kits from someone else and market them so much cheaper. I always wonder if the paid for the idea. Sorry to let the negative side of myself show.

FWIW Jim, the Eurekzone kit is about $20 cheaper with the 30% sale (ocala) going on currently. It would cost about $53 delivered to CA.

Nice job on the table, Ed. I am sure that it will come in very handy.

roy_okc · Post by **roy_okc** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 11:34 am

Ed,

Assuming the quality is anywhere near that of the EurekaZone smart table kit (STK) that it is copied from, I think you will find this to be a very useful addition for many things, not just cutting. Besides sheet good breakdown, I've used mine as a paint table, build table, and more.

Do be careful of using it on the small leg footprint of the workmate. I have my STK attached to a Harbor Freight motorcycle lift (more here: http://tracksawforum.com/showthread.php?t=862) of about the same footprint and it does tend to tilt a bit too easy on the long dimension, at least with 3/4" material. You might want to add some weight, perhaps one or two sandbags or concrete blocks, to the base if you have problems.

F. Jim,

The EZ STK is normally $65, and lower if on sale, such as now. So this actually cost Ed around $20 more. I wonder if TrueTrac buys from EZ and resells, it looks so similar.

Roy

fjimp · Post by **fjimp** » Sat Aug 25, 2012 5:13 pm

I do not wish to criticize Ed's arrangement. I purchased the entire pre assembled table. At the point I needed it I really had a major job at hand and no time to assemble it. After looking at Ed's I still like my arrangement better. It is highly stable, has more arms to support work and is at perfect height to slide sheet goods directly from the pickup to the table. I do own and use workmate tables like Ed's frequently in fact have four of them, two have been "borrowed" by my kids and will likely never get home again:D It is true I prefer the cutting table over a table saw. I also purchased an 8' cutting guide with clamps. As to the prices and sources, it always bugs me when a fellow invents something and everyone decides to copy a good job, I also worry that the inventor may be left out of the profit for his work. Either way the concept is solid. Once again I apologize if am insulting anyone. Jim

saminmn · Post by **saminmn** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 8:51 am

Looks like a good system. I mount a table top router table on a old workmate. A suggestion from a friend, that I added, was putting a board a little wider than the one being clamped by the workmate under the clamped board. This creates a slots on either side that the workmate top fits into. Then the clamped board cannot work its way out.

reible · Post by **reible** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 9:59 pm

I'm going to add a bit to this post cause perhaps it wasn't clear.

I am not endorsing any products.

I am not reviewing the product.

I have no involvement with anyone selling this type of system.

I have no knowledge of the history of this product or any others like it.

I made no attempt to find the history of any company involved in the sales of this sort of system.

I made no attempt to price shop the product. My only goal was to have it come in under $100 which it did.

I have no interest in the "trac" systems being sold, only in a simple solution for a table so I could take a couple of hours and stick some parts together and use it.

I have no idea who "invented" the idea but such systems predate these people by 40 years. OK they didn't have the plastic tracks then but hinges and barrel locks but they did fold out and provide wider support thus providing he same end results as what I have posted here. I still have the free plans here somewhere.

If you tried to read anything else into the thread you wasted your time it is simply not there.

Ed

fjimp · Post by **fjimp** » Sun Aug 26, 2012 10:15 pm

reible wrote:I'm going to add a bit to this post cause perhaps it wasn't clear.

I am not endorsing any products.

I am not reviewing the product.

I have no involvement with anyone selling this type of system.

I have no knowledge of the history of this product or any others like it.

I made no attempt to find the history of any company involved in the sales of this sort of system.

I made no attempt to price shop the product. My only goal was to have it come in under $100 which it did.

I have no interest in the "trac" systems being sold, only in a simple solution for a table so I could take a couple of hours and stick some parts together and use it.

I have no idea who "invented" the idea but such systems predate these people by 40 years. OK they didn't have the plastic tracks then but hinges and barrel locks but they did fold out and provide wider support thus providing he same end results as what I have posted here. I still have the free plans here somewhere.

If you tried to read anything else into the thread you wasted your time it is simply not there.

Ed

Ed, I apologize I do not desire to hurt your feelings. My response was due to repeated discussions on our forum as they relate to the products from Eureka Zone including this sawing table and his (Dino the inventor and owner of Eureka Zone) saw guides and other fine solutions. Couple that with strong feelings by an man who has worked hard through out life to be fair and give credit where it is due. I have seen so many knock offs and near do well products that I tend get my dander up. I will on this subject do my level best to keep my feelings to myself in the future. I need to give serious thought to the value of my offering my views here in the future.

Once again please accept my apologies, I wish you no ill will. Good luck with a great type of solution. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine. Jim

backhertz · Post by **backhertz** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 1:14 am

This kit to my knowledge was deigned by Dick Rhodes, a former employee of Shopsmith. I have used the True Trac & it works quite well. I probably could of save a bunch of money. But I couldn't resist. Plus it just came out with a router adapter which rides on the tracks. I'm not aware of any other system that uses a router adapter as well as a circular saw adapter. I was not aware of other systems other than the Festool plunge saw which is too expensive for my pocket book.

I like the table because a 2' x 4' x 3/4" sheet of plywood will allow me to quickly set up the Tool Trac or whatever many of you use to cut large sheets of plywood with ease.

Ed, thanks for all the pics. I haven't put mine together yet but will soon when I build my vanity.

Tony

reible · Post by **reible** » Mon Aug 27, 2012 9:26 am

fjimp wrote:Ed, I apologize I do not desire to hurt your feelings. My response was due to repeated discussions on our forum as they relate to the products from Eureka Zone including this sawing table and his (Dino the inventor and owner of Eureka Zone) saw guides and other fine solutions. Couple that with strong feelings by an man who has worked hard through out life to be fair and give credit where it is due. I have seen so many knock offs and near do well products that I tend get my dander up. I will on this subject do my level best to keep my feelings to myself in the future. I need to give serious thought to the value of my offering my views here in the future.

Once again please accept my apologies, I wish you no ill will. Good luck with a great type of solution. I hope you enjoy yours as much as I do mine. Jim

Jim,

There is no need to apologies for hurting my feelings, I have no feelings on this subject to be hurt. No emotions either.

I have not followed the discussions here or anywhere else on the subject. I have no idea who Dino is or his history nor do I have any convictions about him one way or the other. Same of course can be said of the other brand and the people responsible for their product.

This is not, nor ever was about choosing sides in any debate.

I found the product from source "x" and purchased it. I did not look to source "y" in fact I did not even know source "y" had such a product or for that mater that there was a source "y". If I had shopped around and found I could have saved $20 it is likely that I would have purchased from "y". That didn't happen.

Again no hidden addenda, just presenting what I put together out of some wood and plastic with a few pictures along the way.

Ed