The Presidential Debate

[Ed in Tampa]

I would love to see a real time "Truth Meter" or fact checking. I would also love to see the so called moderators really hold the line and make sure the candidates answer the questions that are asked and call them out on known half truths.

We saw the results of a moderator calling Romney out when the Moderators view of what was said conflicted with what a canidate said. Obama never called the Benghazi attack an act of terrorism until many many days later. He did mention "terror" in passing when he spoke in the rose garden. Using the term in association with murder, mayhem and other hideous acts. To the liberal moderator that was close enough to tell the nation Romney was lying that Obama did say it was terrorism when in fact he did not. To which Romney could do little about.

[wlhayesmfs]

OK, I don’t post much but will post one time on this. My Truck has a bumper sticker that states Re Elect No One. And I truly believe that is the way to go. If a person was a good person when they got elected they are corrupt by the time their term is up for re election. I do not trust this president at all and believe he has his own agenda and it is not for the betterment of America. He talks a good game but does not play by any rules but his own. I am neither a republican or Democrat. I vote my consciences and for someone I feel is trustworthy. I have been wrong before and might be wrong again but I don’t think so this time. I lost over 80% of my savings and lost a 23 year job two and a half years ago. I am now back to work at 40% of what I use to make but instead of being 3 years from retirement I don’t see retirement in my future at all. Not something I thought I would be dealing with at 64. But on the positive I still have my wood working.

[dusty]

OK, I don’t post much but will post one time on this. My Truck has a bumper sticker that states Re Elect No One. And I truly believe that is the way to go. If a person was a good person when they got elected they are corrupt by the time their term is up for re election. I do not trust this president at all and believe he has his own agenda and it is not for the betterment of America. He talks a good game but does not play by any rules but his own. I am neither a republican or Democrat. I vote my consciences and for someone I feel is trustworthy. I have been wrong before and might be wrong again but I don’t think so this time. I lost over 80% of my savings and lost a 23 year job two and a half years ago. I am now back to work at 40% of what I use to make but instead of being 3 years from retirement I don’t see retirement in my future at all. Not something I thought I would be dealing with at 64. But on the positive I still have my wood working.

I agree with most everything you have said and feel.

I especially agree with term limits but I feel strongest about this when discussing the Congress. I don't believe that members of our Government should be in office long enough to be looking for a retirement there. Let them put in a term and then go back to work for a living.

Look at how long a few of them, like Reid, Pelosi, McCain, Kerry, etc have been around and then check out their reported net worth. They didn't get that wealthy on just their Congressional salaries.

Actually, are there any congressional members who qualify to be called middle class.

Yes, I know that some of them came from wealthy families but I don't believe that that alone makes them exempt from my suspicions.

[skou]

OK, I don’t post much but will post one time on this. My Truck has a bumper sticker that states Re Elect No One. And I truly believe that is the way to go. If a person was a good person when they got elected they are corrupt by the time their term is up for re election. I do not trust this president at all and believe he has his own agenda and it is not for the betterment of America. He talks a good game but does not play by any rules but his own. I am neither a republican or Democrat. I vote my consciences and for someone I feel is trustworthy. I have been wrong before and might be wrong again but I don’t think so this time. I lost over 80% of my savings and lost a 23 year job two and a half years ago. I am now back to work at 40% of what I use to make but instead of being 3 years from retirement I don’t see retirement in my future at all. Not something I thought I would be dealing with at 64. But on the positive I still have my wood working.

Bill I believe the expression is "VTBO." Stands for Vote the Buzzards (or some facsimile) Out!

I agree. If you can't do what you need to, in 2 terms, GO HOME. One term may be better, though.

And, while we're on the subject, NO member of Congress, should recoup ANY MORE than the average of his constituants. (Notice I didn't say "earn.")

Also NO law passed by Congress (either house) will not be exempted from ANY member of Congress. You pass a law, it also applies to YOU, including pay raises!

While I tend to lean Republican, I don't trust ANY member of Congress, of EITHER party. THe ONLY politician I respected, (Gene, you may remenber him) was Jake Flake.

Jeff Flake? Said he would live by self-imposed term limits. LIE!! (Jeff, like me, was Jake's nephew.)

I'll step off my soapbox now. (They make them out of cardboard these days. Won't support a "full figured" guy like me, anymore.):D

steve

[skou]

While I'm no fan of Obama or Obamacare I disagree with your conclusion.

The American health care industry has run amuck. We are paying many times over what other countries pay for the same medicine. We are forced to have prescriptions for drugs that are commonly sold over the counter in most other countries. And we are paying drug companies exorbitant prices under the guise of Research when in fact many of the drugs used public funding in the their research and development.

The smartest thing health insurance companies can do is to seek to make their payment schedules with doctors and hospitals line up with what Medicare pays. It would be foolish for them to pay $200 when Medicare only pays $100.

Doctors will then have the choice of taking what is offered or finding another way to make a living.

Plus Medicare is stopping some of this unnecessary testing and procedures that some doctors are so willing prescribe getting kick back from lab and drug companies to do so.

Ed, most of the expenses come from frivolous lawsuits.

TORT reform, not health care reform, might be the answer.

"Well, if I don't do the test, and the patient has that .05% chance of
having that diagnosis, and he DOES have that, I'm SOO Scrood!"

But, since I'm a disabled Veteran, I'm already seeing what Obamacare offers. Not pretty! "Sorry, we can't do that." "Sorry, that medication isn't on our formulary." "Sorry, that procedure is still experimental."

Expect this for EVERYONE, unless Obamacare is repealed.

ste

[skou]

"I especially agree with term limits but I feel strongest about this when discussing the Congress. I don't believe that members of our Government should be in office long enough to be looking for a retirement there. Let them put in a term and then go back to work for a living." Quote Dusty from Tucson.

Dusty, after a SINGLE term, they get retirement. Any more terms, is just collecting "contributions." Legal or not.

steve

[dusty]

"I especially agree with term limits but I feel strongest about this when discussing the Congress. I don't believe that members of our Government should be in office long enough to be looking for a retirement there. Let them put in a term and then go back to work for a living." Quote Dusty from Tucson.

Dusty, after a SINGLE term, they get retirement. Any more terms, is just collecting "contributions." Legal or not.

steve

I understand that, steve. It should not be that way.

[pennview]

Just to clarify a point, a congressman must serve five years to become vested in their retirement system. So, a senator would be eligible for a pension after one term, but it would take three terms for house members. Regardless, I agree there should be term limits and I vote against the incumbent in primary elections if possible, but this doesn't happen often except in the case of judges here in Pennsylvania. I try to vote against lawyers too, but most politicians seem to come from that background.

Under the present circumstances, I'd prefer that the president could only serve one term, that way we wouldn't have a guy like Obama promising to the Russians that he would be "flexible" after November 6th.

[dusty]

Just to clarify a point, a congressman must serve five years to become vested in their retirement system. So, a senator would be eligible for a pension after one term, but it would take three terms for house members. Regardless, I agree there should be term limits and I vote against the incumbent in primary elections if possible, but this doesn't happen often except in the case of judges here in Pennsylvania. I try to vote against lawyers too, but most politicians seem to come from that background.

Under the present circumstances, I'd prefer that the president could only serve one term, that way we wouldn't have a guy like Obama promising to the Russians that he would be "flexible" after November 6th.

Obviously, I do not know all off the details regarding a career in politics. What I do know is what I feel about what goes on in politics and how it all effects me. I should have paid attention in Political Science class.

There are too many politicians hanging around too long and serving their own best interest before they serve the people who put them there. We (The People) need to learn how to not do this.

[Ed in Tampa]

Ed, most of the expenses come from frivolous lawsuits.

TORT reform, not health care reform, might be the answer.

"Well, if I don't do the test, and the patient has that .05% chance of
having that diagnosis, and he DOES have that, I'm SOO Scrood!"

But, since I'm a disabled Veteran, I'm already seeing what Obamacare offers. Not pretty! "Sorry, we can't do that." "Sorry, that medication isn't on our formulary." "Sorry, that procedure is still experimental."

Expect this for EVERYONE, unless Obamacare is repealed.

ste

Oh I totally agree we are a country that is laughed at by the rest of the world because of our love to sue.

As far as not using the latest and greatest drug I have an interesting story.

My wife needed to take a statin, she was prescribed the latest and greatest which almost immediately caused her liver problems. Our doctor took her off the drug and after a series of tests started her on a different drug.

He is closely monitoring her liver now and she is fine.

I asked about the drug. Here is the doctors answer. "I prescribed "X" because it is the latest Statin and you and everyone has seen ads on TV touting the virtue of this drug."

"Had I first prescribed the drug she is now taking you would have fought me on why I wasn't using what you saw on TV. Had there been liver problems you might have even sued making the case I didn't use the latest greatest instead gave her a drug that is 20 years or more old and caused her Liver probs. My insurance would have questioned why I didn't prescribe "x" and your insurance would have flagged my drug choice. Imagine that in court had iot gone there. Also when I perscribed "X" you saw it as the latest greatest statin which made you comfortable taking it."

I asked why the new drug is being touted as a miracle. He said it is inferior in his opinion but has patent protection hence the company is spending BIG money promoting it.

I thanked him for his candor and asked that in the future instead of using the what is touted as the latest and greatest to actually use what he considers the best. He said he had made that decision about 6 months before for all is patents. He said it is hard to buck the tide but he believes his patients will benefit. He did say it is costing him money in time he has to spend showing the patient why the drug they saw on TV might not be the best drug for their problem. He also has to address their insurance when they question his drug choice."