newbie here,
just recently retired and setting up a workshop in 10x20 shed.
Have a SS 510 but no bandsaw or jointer attachment. only the usuall accessories that came with it.
I am undecided about the SS band saw or just using a stand alone Bandsaw because of space available.
i know its like a personal preference but there are alot of bandsaws on E-bay for the SS 500 series.
Any thing to look for in particular to avoid getting a lemon?
Thanks again for the input
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Shop Smith mod 510 x's 2 , bandsaw, 4 in joiner, DC3300 dust collector. SS planer.
Shop Smith mod 510 x's 2 , bandsaw, 4 in joiner, DC3300 dust collector. SS planer.
Like you said it is personal preference. If I had the room I would have a stand alone. Welcome to the forum, and congratulations on your retirement.
Joe
520, Bandsaw, Beltsander, Delta Drill Press, Delta Lathe, Craftsman Planner/Jointer, Delta Planner, Mini "Greenie" Shorty 500
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520, Bandsaw, Beltsander, Delta Drill Press, Delta Lathe, Craftsman Planner/Jointer, Delta Planner, Mini "Greenie" Shorty 500
Being a VETERAN is an honor
Being a GRANDPA is priceless
For the bandsaw, I'd definitely recommend holding out for one with the newer "upgraded" aluminum table - it is quite a bit larger than the original cast iron table and you can use a rip fence on it and SS makes a table extension that connects into the end as well:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/bsu_tablesystem.htm
You can do this upgrade yourself if you end up with the older cast iron table but this will add a fair amount of expense by the time you buy the table upgrade from SS, so I'd hold off until you find the newer version. I was able to pick up my band saw locally off of CraigsList for $100, including the new table system, so deals are out there.
As for a jointer if you end up wanting one of those, try to find one with the upgraded blade/feather guard:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/j_featherguardretro.htm
Again, you can do this yourself if you buy one with the older guard but this will add expense on your part. Otherwise, the jointers have remained relatively unchanged over the years as far as I know, other than the dust chute upgrade, which is on newer models or you can add yourself.
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/bsu_tablesystem.htm
You can do this upgrade yourself if you end up with the older cast iron table but this will add a fair amount of expense by the time you buy the table upgrade from SS, so I'd hold off until you find the newer version. I was able to pick up my band saw locally off of CraigsList for $100, including the new table system, so deals are out there.
As for a jointer if you end up wanting one of those, try to find one with the upgraded blade/feather guard:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/j_featherguardretro.htm
Again, you can do this yourself if you buy one with the older guard but this will add expense on your part. Otherwise, the jointers have remained relatively unchanged over the years as far as I know, other than the dust chute upgrade, which is on newer models or you can add yourself.
I am also a newbie. I got an SS band saw shortly after getting my SS MK V 500 earlier this year. It came with its own stand/motor which eats up a lot of space in my small shop (9x13), but I find I use it for quick little cuts often instead of changing the MKV setup to the table saw mode. I was thinking of putting another SPT on the stand, but not now. It is just very handy.chuckc wrote:newbie here,
just recently retired and setting up a workshop in 10x20 shed.
Have a SS 510 but no bandsaw or jointer attachment. only the usuall accessories that came with it.
I am undecided about the SS band saw or just using a stand alone Bandsaw because of space available.
i know its like a personal preference but there are alot of bandsaws on E-bay for the SS 500 series.
Any thing to look for in particular to avoid getting a lemon?
Thanks again for the input
As far as what to look for in a SS band saw, I am not the best to answer this. I the older ones have a cast iron table, the newer ones have aluminum. Newer ones also provide dust collection capabilities and access to tension adjustment and a viewing window to see the tension adjuster's position I think. There are thread(s) addressing the DIY upgrades for most of these features (not cast ikron vs. aluminum table tipe of course). There have also been recent threads on fence options that you may want to find if you think delicate re-sawing to create veneers may be a major use of the ban saw.
Well I have exceeded my knowledge here enough for one day. Good luck. As far as an independent machine vs. SS mounted, if you see a craigslist you might consider, you can always buy one either way, try it that way and change later if desired. it's the neat thing about SS.
Sam in Northfield, MN
A day without beer......could have been better
Mark V 500 - S/N 100990, Mark V 510 - S/N missing, SS Band Saw, SS 6" Belt Sander, SS 4" Jointer, SS Scroll Saw, SS DC3300
A day without beer......could have been better
Mark V 500 - S/N 100990, Mark V 510 - S/N missing, SS Band Saw, SS 6" Belt Sander, SS 4" Jointer, SS Scroll Saw, SS DC3300
Welcome Newbie!
Don't forget Craig's List and make sure your friends know you're into Shopsmiths. I've stumbled onto insane deals/opportunities buy going out and looking at the Craig's List Shopsmiths or yard sales in my local area. Often times only the Mark V is advertised and you get to the seller's place and they have all the "rest of the Shopsmith 'stuff' " which might be the standard accessories, or can include every single SPT and an Incra fence to boot!
This past year, I bought a used 510 and a used 520. The 510 came with all the SPTs except a bandsaw, but included the Incra fence system which I had only seen in the old catalogs. The planer was a Mark V mounted version.
The 520 came with an almost brand new bandsaw and two boxes full of things like a biscuit jointer, mortiser, sanding disks, and much more. Between the two, I paid less than half the cost of a new 510 from Dayton. I read one person bought a complete system- still new in the Shopsmith boxes for less!
Some people buy far more than they'll use- the old 'just in case' thing. That's how I got my first Shopsmith system- a hand me down 510 from my father. He bought every single SPT & a stand-alone planer, but his health got in the way of his fully appreciating it. I was in the service back in the late 1980's and came home on leave to find all these Shopsmith boxes. So I got the book out and assembled it all for him which wasn't all that difficult. But it's totally up to you as to what you buy and what you plan to do. With me it became an obsession and I have far more than I'll ever use.
If you really get the bug and have a Shopsmith demo at a Lowe's near you, go check out the PowerPro on the Mark 7. Demos might not come near you, but Shopsmith also has Webinars where you can watch Doug Reid show the PowerPro's benefits & get a good discount off the Shopsmith's retail prices on the same things I believe the demo guys sell. Doug does a great job in demonstrating the PowerPro while emphasizing safety.
There are many videos on YouTube showing Nick Engler using and maintaining the Mark V from when he did the Saw Dust Sessions. As of tonight here are 479 You Tube videos on Shopsmith.
A well maintained or new Mark V headstock may not reach 10,000 RPM (unless you have a $speed increaser$) or have the constant torque of a PowerPro, but it will do virtually anything you want or need it to do providing you've maintained it, aligned it, have sharp blades, and have a good idea of what you're doing.
There is no secret, but just performing maintenance, as required, like cleaning the interior of the headstock, lubing the sheave system, inspecting and replacing parts, as needed, yourself or by others. Back in April, a guy nearby had a rusted 510 that he wanted far more than it was worth in my opinion. He didn't even know how to turn it on. He had the 3 standard books included with every Shopsmith- he did not appear to have any interest in tools or woodworking.
I pulled the motor cover off before turning it on & it had absolutely no sign of any maintenance. He had a DC3300 Shopsmith dust collector & didn't know it. He wanted double for his rusted 510 than I paid for a shiny 520. He honestly had no idea how to operate his Shopsmith which is almost like an accident waiting to happen.
A used Shopsmith is like a Forrest Gump box of chocolates. I bought one headstock where the previous owner did maintenance, but he switched the quill setscrew with a standard Allen set screw which damaged the quill. I've also been fortunate and purchased a completely restored 10ER that looked brand new on Ebay. I was the only bidder & got a great deal.
There are far more qualified people on the forum than myself who might be able to better answer your question. There are some Shopsmith wheeler/dealers who buy all the Shopsmiths in their area and then completely disassemble the Shopsmith, clean up, and sell the separate pieces on Ebay like a chop shop might do with a car. Some times these Ebay parts sell for more than what Shopsmith has them on sale for or if a bidding war starts.
I'm almost sure there is a forum member, or woodworking club, that has a Shopsmith near you who might be willing to show you the SAFE operation of a Shopsmith and the SPTs if you need hands/ on and point out any areas of concern. I happened to stop by Shopsmith in Dayton a number of years ago and received a personal lesson on the strip sander by Nick Engler.
To my knowledge there isn't much difference in the bandsaw for a 500 vs a 510. The newer bandsaws have an aluminum table and also a cover with a small window so you can see the tension indicator. Someone else might know when these changes/upgrades to the bandsaw were made.
I was fortunate back in 2008 to see a Shopsmith demo on the bandsaw which was amazing. I prefer Craig's List myself so I can put my hands on whatever I am purchasing and is often cheaper. Ebay is good too, except like buying from Shopsmith, shipping charges can quickly accrue.
There were a series of posts on setting up the bandsaw by Dusty, I believe 2-3 months ago, if I recall correctly. This is one great forum where people work together.
Good luck!
Tony
Don't forget Craig's List and make sure your friends know you're into Shopsmiths. I've stumbled onto insane deals/opportunities buy going out and looking at the Craig's List Shopsmiths or yard sales in my local area. Often times only the Mark V is advertised and you get to the seller's place and they have all the "rest of the Shopsmith 'stuff' " which might be the standard accessories, or can include every single SPT and an Incra fence to boot!
This past year, I bought a used 510 and a used 520. The 510 came with all the SPTs except a bandsaw, but included the Incra fence system which I had only seen in the old catalogs. The planer was a Mark V mounted version.
The 520 came with an almost brand new bandsaw and two boxes full of things like a biscuit jointer, mortiser, sanding disks, and much more. Between the two, I paid less than half the cost of a new 510 from Dayton. I read one person bought a complete system- still new in the Shopsmith boxes for less!
Some people buy far more than they'll use- the old 'just in case' thing. That's how I got my first Shopsmith system- a hand me down 510 from my father. He bought every single SPT & a stand-alone planer, but his health got in the way of his fully appreciating it. I was in the service back in the late 1980's and came home on leave to find all these Shopsmith boxes. So I got the book out and assembled it all for him which wasn't all that difficult. But it's totally up to you as to what you buy and what you plan to do. With me it became an obsession and I have far more than I'll ever use.
If you really get the bug and have a Shopsmith demo at a Lowe's near you, go check out the PowerPro on the Mark 7. Demos might not come near you, but Shopsmith also has Webinars where you can watch Doug Reid show the PowerPro's benefits & get a good discount off the Shopsmith's retail prices on the same things I believe the demo guys sell. Doug does a great job in demonstrating the PowerPro while emphasizing safety.
There are many videos on YouTube showing Nick Engler using and maintaining the Mark V from when he did the Saw Dust Sessions. As of tonight here are 479 You Tube videos on Shopsmith.
A well maintained or new Mark V headstock may not reach 10,000 RPM (unless you have a $speed increaser$) or have the constant torque of a PowerPro, but it will do virtually anything you want or need it to do providing you've maintained it, aligned it, have sharp blades, and have a good idea of what you're doing.
There is no secret, but just performing maintenance, as required, like cleaning the interior of the headstock, lubing the sheave system, inspecting and replacing parts, as needed, yourself or by others. Back in April, a guy nearby had a rusted 510 that he wanted far more than it was worth in my opinion. He didn't even know how to turn it on. He had the 3 standard books included with every Shopsmith- he did not appear to have any interest in tools or woodworking.
I pulled the motor cover off before turning it on & it had absolutely no sign of any maintenance. He had a DC3300 Shopsmith dust collector & didn't know it. He wanted double for his rusted 510 than I paid for a shiny 520. He honestly had no idea how to operate his Shopsmith which is almost like an accident waiting to happen.
A used Shopsmith is like a Forrest Gump box of chocolates. I bought one headstock where the previous owner did maintenance, but he switched the quill setscrew with a standard Allen set screw which damaged the quill. I've also been fortunate and purchased a completely restored 10ER that looked brand new on Ebay. I was the only bidder & got a great deal.
There are far more qualified people on the forum than myself who might be able to better answer your question. There are some Shopsmith wheeler/dealers who buy all the Shopsmiths in their area and then completely disassemble the Shopsmith, clean up, and sell the separate pieces on Ebay like a chop shop might do with a car. Some times these Ebay parts sell for more than what Shopsmith has them on sale for or if a bidding war starts.
I'm almost sure there is a forum member, or woodworking club, that has a Shopsmith near you who might be willing to show you the SAFE operation of a Shopsmith and the SPTs if you need hands/ on and point out any areas of concern. I happened to stop by Shopsmith in Dayton a number of years ago and received a personal lesson on the strip sander by Nick Engler.
To my knowledge there isn't much difference in the bandsaw for a 500 vs a 510. The newer bandsaws have an aluminum table and also a cover with a small window so you can see the tension indicator. Someone else might know when these changes/upgrades to the bandsaw were made.
I was fortunate back in 2008 to see a Shopsmith demo on the bandsaw which was amazing. I prefer Craig's List myself so I can put my hands on whatever I am purchasing and is often cheaper. Ebay is good too, except like buying from Shopsmith, shipping charges can quickly accrue.
There were a series of posts on setting up the bandsaw by Dusty, I believe 2-3 months ago, if I recall correctly. This is one great forum where people work together.
Good luck!
Tony
One Greenie, Two Mark 7s,Three 510s and much more…
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Thanks for the input from all.dgale wrote:For the bandsaw, I'd definitely recommend holding out for one with the newer "upgraded" aluminum table - it is quite a bit larger than the original cast iron table and you can use a rip fence on it and SS makes a table extension that connects into the end as well:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/bsu_tablesystem.htm
You can do this upgrade yourself if you end up with the older cast iron table but this will add a fair amount of expense by the time you buy the table upgrade from SS, so I'd hold off until you find the newer version. I was able to pick up my band saw locally off of CraigsList for $100, including the new table system, so deals are out there.
As for a jointer if you end up wanting one of those, try to find one with the upgraded blade/feather guard:
http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/catalog/j_featherguardretro.htm
Again, you can do this yourself if you buy one with the older guard but this will add expense on your part. Otherwise, the jointers have remained relatively unchanged over the years as far as I know, other than the dust chute upgrade, which is on newer models or you can add yourself.
Have just about decided on the SS bandsaw as i have read great comments from owners regarding dependability and tracking issues with other stand alone saws.
Hope everyone gets wood for christmas to make saw dust..
:-)
Happy sawing
Capt Chuck
Shop Smith mod 510 x's 2 , bandsaw, 4 in joiner, DC3300 dust collector. SS planer.
Shop Smith mod 510 x's 2 , bandsaw, 4 in joiner, DC3300 dust collector. SS planer.
Great suggestion I love it. My wife's standard comment when being asked what she wants for Christmas is: "Fabric Gift Card at a Quilters Store!"chuckc wrote:Thanks for the input from all.
Hope everyone gets wood for christmas to make saw dust..
:-)
Happy sawing
I desire either "Shopsmith or lumber Gift Cards!":D Jim
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Lakewood, Colorado:)
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