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dforeman · Post by **dforeman** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:35 am

15% ethanol by volume is on its way. And, it will most likely damage your vehicle and void the warranty.
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trainguytom · Post by **trainguytom** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:48 am

Gee, something from the government that wasn't well thought out...go figure

fiatben · Post by **fiatben** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 11:41 am

the 10% they already mix in is already damaging older cars and destroying lawn care equipment. If you don't want to replace your mower/weedeater/etc., then make the effort to find a station that sells alcohol-free fuel.

dforeman · Post by **dforeman** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 4:37 pm

You can't get ethanol free gas anywhere in this part of the country (State Law). Unless you want to purchase those little pre-mixed pints at the outdoor power equipment distributors and they are somewhat expensive. I seem to remember my local Stihl dealer had them for around $20 a pint.

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 5:38 pm

There are still stations around here the sell non ethanol gas but the price is higher. They claim there is more energy in the gas.

In any case there are a number of additives that can be added to the gas that reduce or eliminate the effects of ethanol on older cars and lawn care products.

I'm told that the additive is a great idea for all vehicles since ethanol will settle out of the gas and will absorb moisture.

Gene Howe · Post by **Gene Howe** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 6:52 pm

We put the additive in all our small engines. So far, no problems. Knock on wood.

Ed in Tampa wrote:There are still stations around here the sell non ethanol gas but the price is higher. They claim there is more energy in the gas.

In any case there are a number of additives that can be added to the gas that reduce or eliminate the effects of ethanol on older cars and lawn care products.

I'm told that the additive is a great idea for all vehicles since ethanol will settle out of the gas and will absorb moisture.

judaspre1982 · Post by **judaspre1982** » Thu Jan 03, 2013 10:05 pm

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dgale · Post by **dgale** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 12:13 am

trainguytom wrote:Gee, something from the government that wasn't well thought out...go figure

Talk to the corn producer lobbyists about this one...you can thank them for leaning on Congress to slide anything and everything ethanol into any bill rider they can.

skou · Post by **skou** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:23 am

The major issue with ethanol in gassoline, especially with 2 cycle engines, is the ethanol will bond with water, and thereby separating the oil from the fuel. Straight water will not burn, but ethanol/water mix WILL burn, but there's no oil in it. There go your main, rod bearings, along with the rings/cylinder walls.

I used to run a 2 stroke motorcycle, but my Yamaha RD-400 had oil injection. No issues whatever.

Gasoline/ethanol, gas/ethanol/water, no problems. (In fact, ethanol is a common gas tank/line water removal tool.) But, gas/ethanol/water/oil mix, the gas and oil will stay together, and the ethanol/water will stay together. Both are fuels, but only ONE has lubrication.

Just one more example of our government" breeding" us. (Fertalizing us?) (If you catch my drift.)

steve

skou · Post by **skou** » Fri Jan 04, 2013 1:30 am

Gene Howe?

You remember my uncle Jake?

He taught me what "servicing" meant.

Guys, my Uncle Jake was a cattleman, state Congressman, and state Senator from Gene's hometown of SnowFlake Az. Jake Flake. (Jake married my father's baby sister, and they had 13 children. Guess he was an expert on "servicing.")

He taught me what "servicing"a cow meant. Basically, a bull did it.

Guys, the government is "servicing" US!

steve

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