Saw Stop on Time Warp

judaspre1982 · Post by **judaspre1982** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:08 pm

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DT aka Agent Orange is a POS
Liar Liar his wonky comb over is on fire

joshh · Post by **joshh** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:23 pm

If he REALLY had faith, he would have used his other appendage

beeg · Post by **beeg** » Sat Apr 06, 2013 6:32 pm

I still think he should have gone at the blade straight on. Knot from the side.

rlkeeney · Post by **rlkeeney** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 9:08 am

The way he did it he was never in any real danger.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:34 am

Sawstop Technology is absolutely fantastic. It is probably the most significant thing that will ever happen to table saw safety.

If only Mr. Gass had not tried to jam it down my throat. His attempt to make it mandatory for me to have, if I am going to have a table saw at all, makes the whole thing totally distasteful to me.

It is a fabulous machine and it would have survived on its own merit but impatience got in the way. The need to harvest the all mighty dollar spoiled the whole thing. At least for me.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 10:43 am

dusty wrote:Sawstop Technology is absolutely fantastic. It is probably the most significant thing that will ever happen to table saw safety.

If only Mr. Gass had not tried to jam it down my throat. His attempt to make it mandatory for me to have, if I am going to have a table saw at all, makes the whole thing totally distasteful to me.

It is a fabulous machine and it would have survived on its own merit but impatience got in the way. The need to harvest the all mighty dollar spoiled the whole thing. At least for me.

Anyone else notice his 'demeanor'?:eek:

Not my kinda person!:rolleyes:

letterk · Post by **letterk** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 12:03 pm

I think most may disagree with his methods to push the technology on consumers while gaining a monopoly on the market, but I'm glad the technology exists. The plus, from what I've read it is at least a quality built machine and he didn't shortcut the design.

The table saw market is interesting, On the low end of the market, I'd say saws have gotten cheaper and better quality while adding more safety features. The middle price range has gotten more competition with hybrid saws and import cabinet saws, which has lowered prices too. The high end market which serves enthusiasts, professionals and well-heeled hobbiest may have added features, but for the most part has done everything they can to keep above that $3000 price range.

Of course materials costs have increased in the last few years, but I wonder if the high end of the market was increasing margins at the expense of pushing the design envelope. I really don't know, I'm not in the market for a Unisaw or a PM? However, if I do upgrade I'd probably decide between a midrange import cabinet saw or a much more expensive Sawstop Cabinet saw.

I just read on Woodnet how another person lost some part of their hand with kickback on a miter saw. Not the same type of saw, but when you hear someone has been woodworking for 28 years without a incident it makes you think.

joshh · Post by **joshh** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 5:13 pm

I'm not sure how true this is, but the guy at woodcraft told me Mr. Gass went to all the table saw manufacturers first and they all told him to go F himself. After that, he decided to make the saw too, not just the "stop"

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sun Apr 07, 2013 11:26 pm

joshh wrote:I'm not sure how true this is, but the guy at woodcraft told me Mr. Gass went to all the table saw manufacturers first and they all told him to go F himself. After that, he decided to make the saw too, not just the "stop"

The reason he was told to F himself AIUI was that he demanded exuberant royalties.

'Going along' with his proposal would have doubled the cost of the cheapest models.

I think his demeanor illustrated in the video had a turn off effect if he took it with him when 'negotriating'.

I agree his design is beneficial, but only a production shop could afford to utilize it.

On the other hand, a production shop could not stand the down time to replace the blade and cartridge.

Finally realize it has an override for use with wet lumber(assuming ya know it is wet before hand).

Not much different from taking a saw guard off.

I believe it must be 'overridden' each time the saw is powered up.