The Ventura Project

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Tue May 07, 2013 9:31 am

Interesting project. The trades may be coming back into our schools.

http://www.kickstarter.com/projects/112 ... ct-ventura

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Tue May 07, 2013 11:58 am

Sorry, Dusty! This training is for young women;) ! That makes two categories you can't qualify in.

SHUCKS! Wonder how they are going to restore that pretty little thing!

Maybe you can make a trip to TX and listen in on how and what they are doing to restore that trailer.

Maybe after their training, you can talk some of them to come visit you to help on your summer project.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Tue May 07, 2013 12:25 pm

charlese wrote:Sorry, Dusty! This training is for young women] ! That makes two categories you can't qualify in. SHUCKS! Wonder how they are going to restore that pretty little thing!

Maybe you can make a trip to TX and listen in on how and what they are doing to restore that trailer.
Maybe after their training, you can talk some of them to come visit you to help on your summer project.

Yeah, that is what makes it so neat. Girls showing the world that girls are skilled in traditionally male projects/tasks.

BTW, most of my volunteer help comes from my daughters and their daughters. The four great grand daughters get involved too. I am one of only four guys in this extended family.

Ain't it great!:):):)

frank81 · Post by **frank81** » Tue May 07, 2013 12:42 pm

dusty wrote:Girls showing the world that girls are skilled in traditionally male projects/tasks.

Two of the best engineers I've worked with are women. The big difference I notice between men and women engineers is the women turn in a lot more complete, reviewed work. The guys usually say they are done but 75% is a rough draft at best and 25% is completely missing, which creates work for everyone else downstream.

saminmn · Post by **saminmn** » Tue May 07, 2013 5:39 pm

frank81 wrote:Two of the best engineers I've worked with are women. The big difference I notice between men and women engineers is the women turn in a lot more complete, reviewed work. The guys usually say they are done but 75% is a rough draft at best and 25% is completely missing, which creates work for everyone else downstream.

Back in the Mid 1980s I had a bunch of developers working to support the space program's Program Office. One female developer developer was very easy to work with, 2 others fell into the pushy broad category:D If I said a design needed more detail (or whatever) they would huff and puff and occasionally trot down the hall to HR...a real PIA.

The other gal or the guys might have thought they had been thorough but would make an other pass at the work without question. Guess who got promoted.

stevespix · Post by **stevespix** » Tue May 07, 2013 11:00 pm

My Dad worked 37 years at Douglas Aircraft as an engineer and his contention was that all engineers should work for a time in the shop because they had no practical knowledge on how to work on their designs. He said college is great for theory yet they leave out the common sense when it comes to working designs. He was the last word for their designs to get to production and he said he had the sharpest red pencil in the box and fought many battles over designs.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Wed May 08, 2013 12:25 am

stevespix wrote:My Dad worked 37 years at Douglas Aircraft as an engineer and his contention was that all engineers should work for a time in the shop because they had no practical knowledge on how to work on their designs. He said college is great for theory yet they leave out the common sense when it comes to working designs. He was the last word for their designs to get to production and he said he had the sharpest red pencil in the box and fought many battles over designs.

When I was freshman, all engineering students were required to take 'machine shop practice'. We learned how to make things with a file and drill press(after laying the part out etc.). We operated lathes, milling machines, ram shaper(:eek:), made screws on the lathe, made a usable reamer that involved heat treating, and grinding a morse taper to spec. We also made a spur gear from a CI blank using lathe and of all things a gear shaper. In addition class work introduced us to the world of machining accessories and quality control tools. All that in spite of being a EE major. One of the most useful classes I ever took!!!

Today's engineers have never seen a machine shop nor understand what is involved in 'making' something.

We have lost the concept of training an engineer first, and a specialty second. Back then most engineers had a working knowledge of other each other's specialty.

I could go on about the 'egg heads' that were always theoretically correct but practically just plain stupid. But I have ranted long enough already!:rolleyes:

frank81 · Post by **frank81** » Wed May 08, 2013 9:40 am

saminmn wrote:One female developer developer was very easy to work with, 2 others fell into the pushy broad category:D

I figured that was just assumed! There is definitely one that we would be better off doubling her salary to stay home and not touch anything. I can normally deal with that type but when it starts costing enough money that it affects production and headcount I have a hard time biting my tongue, HR be damned!

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Wed May 08, 2013 1:07 pm

frank81 wrote:I figured that was just assumed! There is definitely one that we would be better off doubling her salary to stay home and not touch anything. I can normally deal with that type but when it starts costing enough money that it affects production and headcount I have a hard time biting my tongue, HR be damned!

Question is, who gave HR the lead?

AIUI performance evaluations have to be gender blind.

Poor performance is demonstrative while perceived bias is merely opinion.

Also who gave 'her' latitude to make cost affecting 'decisions'?

frank81 · Post by **frank81** » Wed May 08, 2013 6:00 pm

JPG40504 wrote:Question is, who gave HR the lead?

AIUI performance evaluations have to be gender blind.

Poor performance is demonstrative while perceived bias is merely opinion.

Also who gave 'her' latitude to make cost affecting 'decisions'?

Ah now that is a rant I could go on and on. Corporate America. Centralization. Dotted Line Matrix Reporting. Group Think. Politics. Lack of Talent. Synergy. I think that should suffice in explaining things. There is a reason I want to start my own manufacturing business.