Problem, double-tilt & lift assist, see what I'm seeing

reible · Post by **reible** » Tue May 21, 2013 11:32 pm

Sooooooooo when you want to tilt the table to 45 degrees and make a saw cut you all know the drill, slide everything down to the right side and do your business, right?

Well how about when you have the double-tilt and the lift assist on your machine?

Table is tilted, so far so good.

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Lowering the table and I'm seeing something I don't like...

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Here is a better look:

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Lowering the table a little lower

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Get out the grinder??

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More pictures to come.

Ed

reible · Post by **reible** » Tue May 21, 2013 11:45 pm

I'm sure you are starting to see what I'm talking about.

Now what if you want a floating table added on the right side, and I often do?

Floating table is on and the whole thing is down as low as it can go.

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So that works as long as you don't actually want to cut the wood.

So when did this all happen?

I've had the double-tilt for about a year and I don't remember seeing this problem but I can't honestly say if I ever tried that operation.

The lift assist is pretty new to me and I'm guessing that is the major contributor to this situation, but I can't be sure of that either.

Am I really the first one seeing this?

Ed

BuckeyeDennis · Post by **BuckeyeDennis** » Wed May 22, 2013 12:33 am

No problem, SS has just the accessory that you (suddenly) need!

http://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cata ... system.htm.

Reminds me of the unexpected interference problem when SS introduced the larger aluminum bandsaw table. The fix for this one should be interesting, too.

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Wed May 22, 2013 5:19 am

The issue comes not with the double-tilt but with the introduction of the lift assist. If you could move the carriage a couple inches farther to the right, you would have clearance. No, you are not the first. I have posted related comments. With the lift assist, we have lost some depth of cut when cutting bevels. I don't recall how much but it is not insignificant. My solution has been to do bevel cuts on the other machine where I have not and will not install a lift assist.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Wed May 22, 2013 12:44 pm

Use the 'light blue' one Ed!;):rolleyes: The one in the incra pix yesterday!:D

drl · Post by **drl** » Wed May 22, 2013 1:06 pm

I do not have the double tilt feature but did install the lift assist when I purchase the Power Pro. Two issues in addition to Ed's: 1) When turning small spindles such as a pen blank, you will not be able to move the carriage fully toward the tail stock resulting in not being able to adjust the lathe tool rest close to the work. 2) Being the PP is reversible one could put the bandsaw on the right side which I have tried to do. Again the lift assist brackets don't allow the carriage to move far enough to the right and even with the quill fully extended, the power coupler is to short to connect the PP to the bandsaw. I have not vertified if the same results would happen with the jointer, belt sander or strip sander.

Regards,
Dwight L.

Mike907 · Post by **Mike907** » Wed May 22, 2013 3:33 pm

Since the PP is reversible, could you mount the tailstock on the left, and then turn your pens from the back side? There would be the hazard of having to reach across the headstock to reach the power switch.

Mike

SDSSmith · Post by **SDSSmith** » Wed May 22, 2013 4:37 pm

drl wrote:I do not have the double tilt feature but did install the lift assist when I purchase the Power Pro. Two issues in addition to Ed's: 1) When turning small spindles such as a pen blank, you will not be able to move the carriage fully toward the tail stock resulting in not being able to adjust the lathe tool rest close to the work. 2) Being the PP is reversible one could put the bandsaw on the right side which I have tried to do. Again the lift assist brackets don't allow the carriage to move far enough to the right and even with the quill fully extended, the power coupler is to short to connect the PP to the bandsaw. I have not vertified if the same results would happen with the jointer, belt sander or strip sander.

Regards,
Dwight L.

I regularly operate my bandsaw in the right side power mount running my PP in reverse. I find the quill and coupler extend far enough (across the carriage and lift assist bracket) to engage the hub on the bandsaw. My bandsaw has the standard eccentric legs and not the 'upgrade' eccentrc legs which would probably put the bandsaw out of reach.

Those upgrade legs would be a waste on a double tilt machine.

rickm808 · Post by **rickm808** » Wed May 22, 2013 6:30 pm

BuckeyeDennis wrote: Reminds me of the unexpected interference problem when SS introduced the larger aluminum bandsaw table. The fix for this one should be interesting, too.

I've had the larger aluminum bandsaw table for years and have yet to discover any interferences. What have I missed?
Rick

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Wed May 22, 2013 6:36 pm

rickm808 wrote:I've had the larger aluminum bandsaw table for years and have yet to discover any interferences. What have I missed?
Rick

Some people find that they can not go to the drill press mode if the band saw is mounted on the left end of the Mark V. With some eccentric tubes there is no interference.

I have the old one piece eccentrics and I can not go vertical if the band saw is mounted on the left end. I never have that problem though because I have my band saw on a Power Station.