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Proper paint prep?

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I've been inspired and motivated by a number of beautiful machine restoration threads on this site, and will soon be finding out if I can do half as well myself. I have both a Shopsmith 10ER and a Dewalt MBF radial arm saw clamoring for full restoration. My metal cleaning and polishing skills are coming along pretty well, but the painting part is going to be a learning experience.

From the restorations photos I've seen, I've tentatively decided on a two-tone Rustoleum "Hammered" spray paint job for the top coat. Which brings me to my question. The Rustoleum Hammered instructions make a pretty big deal of it's ability to cover any old paint, and even untreated rust. Now I wouldn't even consider spraying the stuff over rust, but I'm wondering if completely stripping the old paint is necessary.

Most of the top-notch restorations I've seen get stripped down to the bare metal, then primed appropriately, and then painted. But the paint on both of my machines is good shape "mechanically" -- i.e. still original factory paint with no peeling or chipping. The 10ER finish suffers only from slight oxidation and some small paint splatters. The Dewalt is also afflicted with the speckled green factory color, which is borderline hideous to a guy who suffered through 6 years in a drab old elementary school building with institutional-green paint on every interior surface. :(

During college, I worked a couple of summers in a body shop. Standard procedure there was to get rid of any loose paint, sand the remaining paint for good "tooth", prime any bare metal, and then alternate sanding and priming with red-oxide primer until any small imperfections were gone. Wiping a wet rag over a sanded primer coat did a good job of showing up any remaining imperfections.

So does stripping the factory paint completely off of a machine really give better results, or can I get away with just scuffing it up and leaving it as as the base coat?
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BuckeyeDennis wrote:...or can I get away with just scuffing it up and leaving it as as the base coat?

Well the way I look at it is your putting fresh paint over old that may fail later. Besides that, if ya have a bare spot. You'll have to feather the edges.
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My thoughts are
Show piece or work tool? If it's a show piece how are you going to feel when the finish gets dinged?

Rattle can versus compressed air gun means some mistakes anyway.
It's a hammered finish so are you planning to sand out the errors? I wouldn't. If i was going rattle can, I'd wash and dry, wire brush the rust, prepsol, prime (no sanding) and paint. Unless you have massive runs, who's going to know but you?

If you are serious about lots of prep. why not go for an automotive finish with the color or colors of your choosing?

Next month (or if it ever warms up enough) I plan to paint the legs, tailstock and SPTs. I'll go to NAPA and get a specific color match (maroon w/ dark silver details) and try my hand at water based (never tried it before - came out long after I was learning) and a clear coat. Prep time won't be much more than using a rattle can and I'll get the color I want. If you hadn't mentioned hammer and putty :cool: I'd say to stick with rattle cans. :rolleyes:

Anyway, just a thought.

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PS: Dayton?? REALLY ?!?! :eek:
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To your question, better results, my answer would be no. Follow the procedures you were taught in the body shop and you will be fine. Adequate "tooth" is the goal for remaining coatings and if you have bare spots prepping them so that final coats will blend into them. You are probably aware there is a higher level of solvents in rattle cans so to achive desired thickness for durability will require multiple coats. Good luck and remember to post some photos.
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Thanks for the feedback, guys.

These are both going to be working machines. I want them to look good, but the finish doesn't have to be perfect. So in the interest of time, I think I'll first try scuffing and top-coating some parts without stripping everything. If I don't like the results, I'll still have the option of stripping to bare metal.

In the old days when using a rattle can, I used to have a lot of trouble getting the paint to flow, but not sag or run. But back then, the paint came out of the nozzle in a round pattern. More recently, the cans that I've used put out a pretty good vertical fan pattern. I get much better results with those.

Ben, I work in Columbus, and live nearby. Dayton is an easy hour drive on I-70. To bad Shopsmith doesn't have a showroom there anymore. :(
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Sorry, I should have written

"THE" Ohio State BEATEN by Dayton!?! REALLY?!? :eek:

That truly screwed up my brackets! Never figured OSU to get that far, but getting beaten by Dayton was not a good thing for me making any money on my bracket choices. Good thing I don't plan to supplement my retirement by betting on college basketball! :rolleyes:

Oh, and there is no such thing as an "easy" drive on I-70 anywhere around Columbus. At least not for this Montana boy! :eek: (Got a Masters from Antioch so did some driving in the "combat zone".) Seattle's I-5 at rush hour was less crazy!!! After driving around I know why Orville and Wilbur took up flying. It was safer. :p

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benush26 wrote:Sorry, I should have written

"THE" Ohio State BEATEN by Dayton!?! REALLY?!? :eek:

That truly screwed up my brackets! Never figured OSU to get that far, but getting beaten by Dayton was not a good thing for me making any money on my bracket choices. Good thing I don't plan to supplement my retirement by betting on college basketball! :rolleyes:

Oh, and there is no such thing as an "easy" drive on I-70 anywhere around Columbus. At least not for this Montana boy! :eek: (Got a Masters from Antioch so did some driving in the "combat zone".) Seattle's I-5 at rush hour was less crazy!!! After driving around I know why Orville and Wilbur took up flying. It was safer. :p

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Ah, but I-70 is now 3-lane almost all the way. Much better than before. But I usually take back roads anyway, just because freeways are so darned boring.

Now just a couple of weeks ago, I missed a turn in San Francisco. I was trying to get from SFO to the Golden Gate Bridge, but wound up on downtown surface streets. That area is so crazy that I couldn't even find a spot to pull over and fire up the GPS. It's amazing I didn't mow down a few pedestrians. At least I don't think I did! :eek:
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benush26 wrote: . . .

That truly screwed up my brackets! . . .
So what did KY do to your brackets?:D
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JPG40504 wrote:So what did KY do to your brackets?:D
Let's just say that I had Louisville beating Wichita and leave it at that. :o
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benush26 wrote:Let's just say that I had Louisville beating Wichita and leave it at that. :o
Quite understandable!:)

And the regional final?:rolleyes:
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