Motor Just humms

["Wild Bad Bob"]

Long day in the rebuild shop!!!! Plus a trip to the Cardio Dr to break up the day. I had a A Fluter heart, was A Fib but went to fluter, he shocked into normal rythme about 10 days ago. I feel GREAT again!!!!
Update on the bearing removal, first off, I am a retired/disability mechanical engineer of 20 years for our local electical utility, then my own residintial remodeling business for 15 years after that, hands on. When I was in college at Milwaukee School of Engineering I worked at Harley Davidson in the tool and die department as a assistant. I am fenese person, if it aint doing what you want it to, stop, think, look at it in another way, rethink and proceed with caution. Just so you know a little about me and my thought process. I AM NOT A HAMMER MECHANIC!!!!!!!!!!!! And have so much experience in mechanical things that I know when something is not right, or how to strecth the rules beyound the limits!! Lots of in/for sight!!! But the nuns could not teach me how to spell!!!
So, picked up a piece of 1/2"diam steel rod, inserted into the female spindle splined shaft, instead of using a plastic head malit which I was using, got out a BFH, and a couple of "smart hits" the bearings/shaft moved, then a few more light taps and it "came a coming", and whined, "dont, stop" or was it "dont stop"? then as the outer bearing showed up I cleaned up the dried gum on them, tapped the rear bearing through the front housing easily. No need for the heat wrench, which I was going to be cautious to use, plus I have not used it for a decade, I only have a cutting tip and a sodering tip, no rose bud, so that was not an option.
There is a taveren/pub by my house and there are some regulars that stop in there after work, I have been there for about 7 years a few times after work, well "Joey" a regular owns a "Bearing Inc franchise, which is 2 miles from there, and my house, well I called him this AM, told him what I was working on and said "no problem", I went there with the shaft and bearings and he fixed me up for $20.00, the bearings that were in there Bill Mayo, were metal shieled, better for high heat applications, from info on another thread here, a bearing rep said, "rubber shielded are better for dusty situations, so bought that type, anyway they will out live me no matter what type they are!!! So Joey reffered me to a auto tranmission shop a mile away that would pull the old and reset the new ones, another $20. A GREAT DAY!!!!!!!!!!
Now that I have the quill out, it looks like there is at least 1 set of bearings in there, and turning the head stock of the quill it is not smooth. Is there bearings in there? If so I will replace them too, but how to get them out friends?
The Delta TS repaint/mouse piss rust looks great, then on to the rust bucket Buffolo jointer, cast iron rust up so easy, buts cleans up so easy!!!!
Thanks , Bob
PS will be changing name here, on many forums and always put my name here, RBursek, instead of some fancy/egotistic one, but will have both for a bit till everyone figures out it is the same person. I wish pics of the person would be here to put a name to a face, Not just some hat like on the TV series "Justified" on FX down in KT with Fed Marshalls were he wears a Stutson like JPG!!!!LOL!!!!

["Wild Bad Bob"]

Dusty and all,
cleaned up the quill and quill shaft, the spring had no fangs. When I pulled the spring cover off, it was disconnected where it catches on that round headed pin on the shaft. Bent the spring a bit tighter there so it would catch itself, reinstalled the whole shaft, and according to the rebuild #4 vidio, just wind it 3 revs and install the quill. That was easy!! No gloves needed, no blood sheded!!!!!
When I had the quill out, I turned the shaft by hand, the quill bearings feel a touch rough, I will replace it/them at a later date. But a question for you all, in the vidio, the guy talks about a single bearing and a dual bearing quill. My SS was made in late 56 to early 57. He said in the vidio that if you could take the SS allen wrench and not extend it all the way into the back of the quill it is a dual bearing. I can see the bearing and it is in the quill only 4-5", less of the length of the SS "Master Wrench". Do I have a dual bearing Quill? I thought they came out later then 1957.
Thanks, Bob

[beeg]

You might be hitting a flat washer in there. Double bearing quills didn't come out until about 1986.

[RobertTaylor]

you probably do not have a double bearing quill. However it is possible. ShopSmith did not supply any for those machines. People have created their own. Bill Mayo has double bearing quills for sale for the early machines.

["Wild Bad Bob"]

beeg, you are right I am sure, it looks more like a washer then a bearing with all of its different configurations on a bearing face. It is in about 3 inches.
Actually when I sprayed some PB Blaster on the quill knurled ring set screw, which wont budge, like the guy referred to in his quill rebuild thread, some must have gotten into the bearing, spins smooth as silk now, must have had a stuck roller or two.
This is so much fun!!!!!!!! Love doing stuff like this, and it is new for me, machine stuff I mean, I have not done it for years, other then maintaining my stuff for remodeling. It is good for the brain and ego/confidence level!!!!!!!!!!
It is funny, when checking my SN and he had machines made for each year to see some drastic differences in a few years compared to others, to young then to know/understand what the economy was doing in the low sell years.
Bob

[JPG]

That 'washer' holds the quill shaft centered in the quill housing so inserting it during assembly into the main shaft is easier. The splines on a 'Gilmer' version are different(aka incompatible with newer versions).

["Wild Bad Bob"]

Thanks JPG,
I dont know you but I know 2 things about you, you know your SS stuff, and I need to know my SS termanology so we can communicate on the same terms/level. Thanks for all the help here on "just the motor hums" it turned into more!!!! My jiuces are flowing!!!!!!!!!!!!! Getting into mechanical stuff!!!! The basic dos and donts no matter what the machine is.
Thanks for yours and the others knowledge and support on the SS one. Cant wait to get it up and running, they are going cheap here, dad is dead, the kids have to get rid of the stuff, they dont have the time or the worth of them, plus not in big demand since indevidual power tools are so cheap from China. 2 guys are trying to sell a "Grey" one for $820 with a band saw, the other for $800 with a jointer for over a month+ here on Craigs list. Love or hate em!!!!
Now that I am into this, the PH nternals are so basic/easy, when I see one/Greenies are over built except for the 3/4HP motor which I think is adiquite for 2-300.00$ going to grab it, rebuid it if needed just for a better indevidual piece of work shop, a cheap China disc sander of 12" is that.ect