Value of Greenie

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 1:54 am

rbursek wrote:Teacherman, the table insert/rest is under the binder, band saws are more costly used by 2x then a little toy 4" jointer at ebay prices. AND, give TM a cigar, that was the point of my post on the 2 in Milw I was refering to. AND the piano story!!! Something is only worth what someone is willing to pay for it.

The 'problem' with 'toy 4" jointers is the shipping weight!:eek:

If it were truly a toy, it would not weigh so much.]joint [/U]an edge wider than 4"?:D

It ain't a surface planer.

"Wild Bad Bob" · Post by **"Wild Bad Bob"** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:33 am

JPg, lots of SS and assesories, around here this morning from 175.00 rough basic goldie to 875.00 with BS and Jointer.
Okay I feel feisty this morning, and need to defend myself. JPG what is the first step in taking a rough sawn board and 4 side surfacing it? Making it flat and parallel on both sides and the same on both edges, edges 90* to the faces.
1st, surface 1 side on a jointer till it is flat, 2nd, put that flat face against a jointers fence and joint the edge till flat and 90* to finished face. 3rd, run board in a surface planer to get other face flat and parallel to the jointed face. 4th, rip other ruff edge on TS with the jointed edge against the fence. Now you have a 4SS board. So the jointer must be wide enough to accommodate the width of the board to face it, planer must be wide enough to accommodate width of board, TS must have enough room/separation between blade and fence to accommodate width of board, jointer and TS should have a table long enough in length to accommodate the length of the board. That was why I made the comment about the 4" jointer being a "toy". Its limitations are its narrow width to face a board and short table/s to accommodate a long board stably. Good thing I had my coffee,LOL!!!!!!!!

rcplaneguy · Post by **rcplaneguy** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:54 am

I personally think 4" jointer is plenty. Would I like a bigger one? Sure, but I'll never have that sort of space. What other jointer can fit under the SS like this one? That is a major reason to own a SS to begin with (compact).

Doug Reid has a good video about why a 4" jointer is enough. To fight cupping and movement, it is best to assemble table tops from glued up narrow boards (e.g. 3.5" wide). Keeps you from having to plane so much thickness away to remove the cup, more stable over time.

http://youtu.be/k19jzpEuFl4

"Wild Bad Bob" · Post by **"Wild Bad Bob"** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 11:04 am

RCplane,
I totally agree with all you said, just posted this on the wood worker site here.
"talked to a custom table maker, sez everyone wants as wide as possible boards in there table tops when they talk to him, he uses nothing over 4" wide for finished stability of the table top".
The SS jointer does well for what it is in size, and many dont buy/have axcess to rough sawn lumber, it comes 4SS anyway.
A SS 4" is fine for edging of course, and you can make extension table/fence for it, just wanted to mess with JPG a bit!!LOL JPG.

teacherman · Post by **teacherman** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 9:52 pm

teacherman wrote:Are you near Kansas City?

I just read your earlier post. I guess not.

I am looking forward to the arrival of my lather drive spur and drill press vise, and I have my first project lined up. My wife's coworker has a piano bench with a broken leg, and with the vise I will be able to drill out the short 3/4" dowel and replace it. Horizontal drill press! What a deal.

I will post pics of the first project when the time comes.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Tue Apr 22, 2014 10:22 pm

rbursek wrote:RCplane,
I totally agree with all you said, just posted this on the wood worker site here.
"talked to a custom table maker, sez everyone wants as wide as possible boards in there table tops when they talk to him, he uses nothing over 4" wide for finished stability of the table top".
The SS jointer does well for what it is in size, and many dont buy/have axcess to rough sawn lumber, it comes 4SS anyway.
A SS 4" is fine for edging of course, and you can make extension table/fence for it, just wanted to mess with JPG a bit!!LOL JPG.

Mess all you want.

As a former badger(twice removed), I can well take it!:D

You ain't playing fair!:rolleyes: That 'stuff' you described is at least two operations beyond 'jointing'. Before you can 'joint' an edge, yes the face(s) must be flat.

FWIW, if a 'board' has too much wind etc. it is not a viable candidate for jointing into a flat top. But one must use what one has!;)

All 4ss means to me is 4 surfaces are 'smooth' and not 'rough'. Flat and square are a different thingie.

"Wild Bad Bob" · Post by **"Wild Bad Bob"** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 10:25 am

JPG, I would not if I did not think you could and glad you take it as intended, just humor!!!! Where up here? I live in a NW burb of Milw., Germantown.
I apologize I used the wrong word "toy". Yesterday, as in the last few, I was in the shop refurbishing a rust bucket of a 6" x 48" free standing jointer, coming along fine. Anyway durring the day derusting and polishing, I was thinking/reflecting about my choice of words, as I have to walk around my SS with the 4" jointer mounted on it. It is not a toy, my nephew bought a 5" table top craftsman jointer, basically made out of all sheet metal, that is a toy!!! The SS jointer is well made, and for the size it is, is very useful, as long as you can work within its size limitations. Those are the words I should have used. Even my 6" x 48" floor model has limitations, all relative to the size of material you commonly work with. Thats why they make some 6"+ ones with 6' length tables too.
With that said, my "Motor just Humms" thread is on hold, new bearings are on the upper spindle but need to be installed after I change the power cord in a week.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Wed Apr 23, 2014 9:38 pm

rbursek wrote:JPG, I would not if I did not think you could and glad you take it as intended, just humor!!!! Where up here? I live in a NW burb of Milw., Germantown.
I apologize I used the wrong word "toy". Yesterday, as in the last few, I was in the shop refurbishing a rust bucket of a 6" x 48" free standing jointer, coming along fine. Anyway durring the day derusting and polishing, I was thinking/reflecting about my choice of words, as I have to walk around my SS with the 4" jointer mounted on it. It is not a toy, my nephew bought a 5" table top craftsman jointer, basically made out of all sheet metal, that is a toy!!! The SS jointer is well made, and for the size it is, is very useful, as long as you can work within its size limitations. Those are the words I should have used. Even my 6" x 48" floor model has limitations, all relative to the size of material you commonly work with. Thats why they make some 6"+ ones with 6' length tables too.
With that said, my "Motor just Humms" thread is on hold, new bearings are on the upper spindle but need to be installed after I change the power cord in a week.

Tongue in cheek humor is something I understand fer sure(both directions).

True the word 'toy' did rankle the hairs on the back of my neck.

Explanation 'accepted'(as if it 'mattered':D)

La Crosse for K - 5 1/2 and Darlington for grade 12 and Madison for '13'.