Published Instructions that need updating

everettdavis · Post by **everettdavis** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 10:51 am

There are at least two instructions on the ownersite/servicetips that need some important information added to them to prevent damage to a Mark V.

If an inexperienced owner follows these 1999 instructions, it is possible to damage the Mark V if they don't know these things and follow the 1999 published directions literally as written.

This forum has repeatedly documented the need to follow alternate procedures, but the current website info last updated in 1999 is lacking that information.

I don't know who at Shopsmith might could look into this, but it likely needs supplementing information added. See the attached PDF for specifics.

Edited for clarification September 25, 2014: In the attached PDF file, the comments in Green are the ones I added that I felt (if added) might be of benefit to new users. Thanks for pointing out that I omitted that.

Experience is often stated as the best teacher, but it can sometimes be the most costly way to learn. The wisdom of those here who have shared their recommendations and experience is remarkable. -Everett-

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:07 am

I wholeheartedly agree with the intent of the recommended changes; however, I believe that the operating instructions (the Shopsmith manual) already contain that information.

The Hands On document would be improved if the changes were added to it.

I can't and don't speak for Shopsmith but I do not expect those changes to be made.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:10 am

1) The headstock clearly has a warning to not turn the dial. Repeating that warning is unnecessary unless the instructions say to adjust the speed with it idle.

2) Adjusting the speed control towards fast with it idle does no damage.

I agree newbies need to have that warning drilled in.

Add 'Adjust towards slow sedately'!

beeg · Post by **beeg** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:28 am

everettdavis wrote:There are at least two instructions on the ownersite/servicetips that need some important information added to them to prevent damage to a Mark V.

If an inexperienced owner follows these 1999 instructions, it is possible to damage the Mark V if they don't know these things and follow the 1999 published directions literally as written.

Wood you be so kind as to point out those "two instructions".

everettdavis · Post by **everettdavis** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:37 am

I do understand. I recently acquired two late 1981 Mark V's to restore but neither had a surviving label on them.

It is sad if Shopsmith truly cannot or simply will not revise publications to include relevant info. that comes up that should be included. They revised it once, 15 years ago. Perhaps they should re-visit it. I know they have a smaller staff today.

These forums are a wealth of information and I certainly applaud all those here who unselfishly continue to share their knowledge about Shopsmith.

I have read and continue to read many valuable posts here that increases my knowledge.

I grew up with a neighbor who made grandfather clocks using his 10E-R. It was almost magical to a young boy.

I later bought my first Mark V in the 1970's and have used and trusted them for years.

everettdavis · Post by **everettdavis** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 11:38 am

beeg wrote:Wood you be so kind as to point out those "two instructions".

They are in the PDF that I attached to the original post.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 12:52 pm

Beeg's question is, where in the pdf are they?

As I see it they are not returning the speed control setting to slow prior to turning on(start up in slow speed only), and adjusting the speed control to fast after turning the power off.

The first is a carry over from the 3/4 hp motor and typical 1950's house wiring.

The second is not a problem*, but SS does not see fit to distinguish that from going towards slow which will(eventually) result in damage. Simpler to just say do not.

I dare say every manual has that 'do not turn warning'. Many 'installation' instructions do also when relevant.

Only acquiring a used machine has the risk of missing labels or manual. I think a knowledgeable PO would make sure to convey the do not turn warning to any new buyer. Not all buyers buy from knowledgeable POs.

The intended audience(my assumption) is not newbies, but rather owners with time in grade.

I dare say Admin likely has more 'urgent' matters to attend to.

* It can be a problem with badly worn motor belts in that they can drop too low in the pulley when not rotating. It can also damage the loop if the control sheave is inadequately lubricated. The loop is not intended to be pulled by the porkchop.

beeg · Post by **beeg** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:27 pm

everettdavis wrote:There are at least two instructions on the ownersite/servicetips that need some important information added to them to prevent damage to a Mark V.

If an inexperienced owner follows these 1999 instructions, it is possible to damage the Mark V if they don't know these things and follow the 1999 published directions literally as written.

I still fail to see WHAT your referring to. I'm KNOT a mind reader.

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:36 pm

beeg wrote:I still fail to see WHAT your referring to. I'm KNOT a mind reader.

You also didn't click on the PDF that Davis included. The changes are in green and signed by Davis.

beeg · Post by **beeg** » Tue Aug 19, 2014 2:56 pm

Ed in Tampa wrote:You also didn't click on the PDF that Davis included. The changes are in green and signed by Davis.

Sorry Ed, but you ASSUMED. What I did realize is that the poster and the signer of the PDF were one and the same. Nowhere in post #1 does it say that he added the corrections he thought should be made.