Howdy,
Most forums are used for several key purposes: learn how to perform a task, fix a problem, or share experience. I have implemented and managed quite a few forums since the mid 90's, and I understand that keeping spammer out and folks on topic is a challenge. The way I removed most issues was to remove any off topic posting capability. Perhaps if Shopsmith would remove the Community forum, our problems would be solved.
While I don't post much, I learn incredibly valuable information from the folks who are now departing the forum. I check at least twice a day.
A key benefit of Shopsmith has been its active community, willing to share their knowledge and learn from mistakes. Without this forum, Shopsmith is not so appealing as a woodworking tool (unless you live in a closet).
If folks want to express their political, product, or religious views, there are many other forums that will welcome their posts. Remove the thorn, don't chop off the foot... Please don't go guys.
Mike Corley
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friscomike
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friscomike wrote:Howdy,
Most forums are used for several key purposes: learn how to perform a task, fix a problem, or share experience. I have implemented and managed quite a few forums since the mid 90's, and I understand that keeping spammer out and folks on topic is a challenge. The way I removed most issues was to remove any off topic posting capability. Perhaps if Shopsmith would remove the Community forum, our problems would be solved.
While I don't post much, I learn incredibly valuable information from the folks who are now departing the forum. I check at least twice a day.
A key benefit of Shopsmith has been its active community, willing to share their knowledge and learn from mistakes. Without this forum, Shopsmith is not so appealing as a woodworking tool (unless you live in a closet).
If folks want to express their political, product, or religious views, there are many other forums that will welcome their posts. Remove the thorn, don't chop off the foot... Please don't go guys.
Mike Corley
Well stated...
Chris Neilan
Shopsmith Mark 7, Shopsmith Mark V 1982, shortened, Shopsmith 10 ER; Craftsman table saw (1964); Powermatic 3520B lathe
Shopsmith Mark 7, Shopsmith Mark V 1982, shortened, Shopsmith 10 ER; Craftsman table saw (1964); Powermatic 3520B lathe
I'm not here very much anymore and most of it has to do with the stuff that kept creeping in the threads. The community section just because a hotbed of politics and infighting. As I've said before, why delve into subjects that 50% of people are going to disagree with you and probably lose respect for you. I made some comments about taking the politics out a while ago and felt like I got jumped on. I decided who needs it.friscomike wrote:Howdy,
Most forums are used for several key purposes: learn how to perform a task, fix a problem, or share experience. I have implemented and managed quite a few forums since the mid 90's, and I understand that keeping spammer out and folks on topic is a challenge. The way I removed most issues was to remove any off topic posting capability. Perhaps if Shopsmith would remove the Community forum, our problems would be solved.
While I don't post much, I learn incredibly valuable information from the folks who are now departing the forum. I check at least twice a day.
A key benefit of Shopsmith has been its active community, willing to share their knowledge and learn from mistakes. Without this forum, Shopsmith is not so appealing as a woodworking tool (unless you live in a closet).
If folks want to express their political, product, or religious views, there are many other forums that will welcome their posts. Remove the thorn, don't chop off the foot... Please don't go guys.
Mike Corley
I mod a group on Facebook and we basically decided anything political or mean spirited gets deleted ASAP. And finally, those who break the rules of the group I mod, get booted from the group.
Admin,
If you are listening, eliminate the community forum and police the off topic posts. I for one find this forum invaluable in my journey with SS and think others do as well. I like to talk politics and religion but there are many other forums expressly for that purpose that I can participate in if I feel the need.
On another note though, the beauty of an online forum is I can simply ignore what adds no value to me much like the delete key and my email.
So, those who have added so much value to our woodworking lives who are leaving, please reconsider. Ignore the junk and continue to contribute value. If we all do that the other stuff won't have legs to walk.
Jack
If you are listening, eliminate the community forum and police the off topic posts. I for one find this forum invaluable in my journey with SS and think others do as well. I like to talk politics and religion but there are many other forums expressly for that purpose that I can participate in if I feel the need.
On another note though, the beauty of an online forum is I can simply ignore what adds no value to me much like the delete key and my email.
So, those who have added so much value to our woodworking lives who are leaving, please reconsider. Ignore the junk and continue to contribute value. If we all do that the other stuff won't have legs to walk.
Jack
I am new here, but have to disagree about removing the community forum. What happens is some of us have real problems in life, that we want advice from friends on, be it a problem with a lawnmower, to your mother in law having cancer. You make real friends on these forums, even if you never meet them, and you need a place for these non-woodworking posts. Anybody not at all interested in the community forum does NOT have to go there.
Most forums i am in for various things have moderators, and most of them have been quite good. it takes a big load off the admin. The admin always has veto power, if the moderator locks a thread, he or she can unlock it, remove infractions, etc. so they don't give up control, rather divvy the workload.
I voted for the top option, but if I could change it, i would change it to the third.
Most forums i am in for various things have moderators, and most of them have been quite good. it takes a big load off the admin. The admin always has veto power, if the moderator locks a thread, he or she can unlock it, remove infractions, etc. so they don't give up control, rather divvy the workload.
I voted for the top option, but if I could change it, i would change it to the third.
The sickness is spreading:
Mark V greenie 1954
Mark V goldie 1962 (I think)
Mark V grey 1978
Shopsmith attachments: 2 Jig Saws, Bandsaw, Jointer, Planer. Shaper tooling, many adapters, arbors, etc.
50s vintage Craftsman table saw
50s vintage Craftsman band saw
Mark V greenie 1954
Mark V goldie 1962 (I think)
Mark V grey 1978
Shopsmith attachments: 2 Jig Saws, Bandsaw, Jointer, Planer. Shaper tooling, many adapters, arbors, etc.
50s vintage Craftsman table saw
50s vintage Craftsman band saw
OK, guys, I'm going to disagree with some of the ideas posted here. I've been a Mod on a couple of Fora, (forums) and the Community section NEEDS to stay. We need a place to talk about non-Shopsmith stuff, and the Community section is it. Also, since this is a "Community" section, an amount of mild "hijacking" should be allowed. (You ever have a discussion with a friend, and the whole discussion stays on the same subject?)
We also need a couple other changes.
No hijacking a thread, in the other sections. Period! (Yes, I know I'm guilty here, and will be diligent about refraining from posting non-topical stuff.)
The second change, a section for "obsolete" Shopsmith stuff, like the Model 10, Marks, 2 and VII, and the various stand-alone saws that have been released under some kind of "Shopsmith" label. We don't need a section for each, just one section covering all of them.
steve
We also need a couple other changes.
No hijacking a thread, in the other sections. Period! (Yes, I know I'm guilty here, and will be diligent about refraining from posting non-topical stuff.)
The second change, a section for "obsolete" Shopsmith stuff, like the Model 10, Marks, 2 and VII, and the various stand-alone saws that have been released under some kind of "Shopsmith" label. We don't need a section for each, just one section covering all of them.
steve
10 ER, stripped down.
Basic 10ER, Parts machine. Will be a semi-dedicated drill-press machine.
10 ER, a "survivor" of the trailer fire, in the back yard, needing restoration. Has a Mk5 headrest. Finally, stripped down.
Numerous parts, for Model 10 stuff. Except for lower saw guard, A and B adapters, I've got it.
Looking for one more, or some 9 inch extension table raisers.
Basic 10ER, Parts machine. Will be a semi-dedicated drill-press machine.
10 ER, a "survivor" of the trailer fire, in the back yard, needing restoration. Has a Mk5 headrest. Finally, stripped down.
Numerous parts, for Model 10 stuff. Except for lower saw guard, A and B adapters, I've got it.
Looking for one more, or some 9 inch extension table raisers.
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robinson46176
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skou wrote:OK, guys, I'm going to disagree with some of the ideas posted here. I've been a Mod on a couple of Fora, (forums) and the Community section NEEDS to stay. We need a place to talk about non-Shopsmith stuff, and the Community section is it. Also, since this is a "Community" section, an amount of mild "hijacking" should be allowed. (You ever have a discussion with a friend, and the whole discussion stays on the same subject?)
We also need a couple other changes.
No hijacking a thread, in the other sections. Period! (Yes, I know I'm guilty here, and will be diligent about refraining from posting non-topical stuff.)
The second change, a section for "obsolete" Shopsmith stuff, like the Model 10, Marks, 2 and VII, and the various stand-alone saws that have been released under some kind of "Shopsmith" label. We don't need a section for each, just one section covering all of them.
steve
Yep...
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Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
farmer
Francis Robinson
I did not equip with Shopsmiths in spite of the setups but because of them.
1 1988 - Mark V 510 (bought new), 4 Poly vee 1 1/8th HP Mark V's, Mark VII, 1 Mark V Mini, 1 Frankensmith, 1 10-ER, 1 Mark V Push-me-Pull-me Drillpress, SS bandsaw, belt sander, jointer, jigsaw, shaper attach, mortising attach, TS-3650 Rigid tablesaw, RAS, 6" long bed jointer, Foley/Belsaw Planer/molder/ripsaw, 1" sander, oscillating spindle/belt sander, Scroll saw, Woodmizer sawmill
I agree a Community section is needed because we are a Community.
As a Community there will be rants raves jokes and all sorts of commerdy.
If properly used the Community section gives us a place for that so we don't
feel the need to do those things in other threads.
I have run forums in the past and policing them is a real chore I know.
I think the SS forum is structured pretty well but could use a few more categories.
If I have been guilty of any Hijacking I'm sorry I don't think I have started a
Hijacking but I'm sure I have picked up the ball and run with it before.
As for members leaving it saddens me to see any go.
I feel a sense of family here and loosing any is hard.
As a Community there will be rants raves jokes and all sorts of commerdy.
If properly used the Community section gives us a place for that so we don't
feel the need to do those things in other threads.
I have run forums in the past and policing them is a real chore I know.
I think the SS forum is structured pretty well but could use a few more categories.
If I have been guilty of any Hijacking I'm sorry I don't think I have started a
Hijacking but I'm sure I have picked up the ball and run with it before.
As for members leaving it saddens me to see any go.
I feel a sense of family here and loosing any is hard.
Bruce
I didn't know what a Shopsmith was...
Three days later I owned one...
One week later I was rebuilding one...
Four months later I owned two....
Ok Ok, I'm up to four now...
I didn't know what a Shopsmith was...
Three days later I owned one...
One week later I was rebuilding one...
Four months later I owned two....
Ok Ok, I'm up to four now...
THANKS, Francis!robinson46176 wrote:Yep...
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Your opinion matters to me.
steve
10 ER, stripped down.
Basic 10ER, Parts machine. Will be a semi-dedicated drill-press machine.
10 ER, a "survivor" of the trailer fire, in the back yard, needing restoration. Has a Mk5 headrest. Finally, stripped down.
Numerous parts, for Model 10 stuff. Except for lower saw guard, A and B adapters, I've got it.
Looking for one more, or some 9 inch extension table raisers.
Basic 10ER, Parts machine. Will be a semi-dedicated drill-press machine.
10 ER, a "survivor" of the trailer fire, in the back yard, needing restoration. Has a Mk5 headrest. Finally, stripped down.
Numerous parts, for Model 10 stuff. Except for lower saw guard, A and B adapters, I've got it.
Looking for one more, or some 9 inch extension table raisers.
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camerio
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I come to this forum every day. I have not contributed a lot to it, but I have learned a lot through the years.
The way I come on this forum is by clicking on the forum name in my Firefox browser and then going directly to the new posts section. Then I choose the post that I want to read.
I do not receive any emails from the forum telling me this or that has been added to the forum, that way there is only my choice of how and when I come in and read or response to the forum.
That way I cannot get upset about a thread that I do not choose to read.
Hope Dusty and Ed are still around in the background because I really really enjoyed their contributions over the years. It would not be the same without them. Thanks to all of those who choose to talk woodworking and Shopsmith and show their appreciation on those contributing to it.
The way I come on this forum is by clicking on the forum name in my Firefox browser and then going directly to the new posts section. Then I choose the post that I want to read.
I do not receive any emails from the forum telling me this or that has been added to the forum, that way there is only my choice of how and when I come in and read or response to the forum.
That way I cannot get upset about a thread that I do not choose to read.
Hope Dusty and Ed are still around in the background because I really really enjoyed their contributions over the years. It would not be the same without them. Thanks to all of those who choose to talk woodworking and Shopsmith and show their appreciation on those contributing to it.
Camerio
MarkV 520 & Band saw
MarkV 520 & Band saw