Vulnerablity to the Internet
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- dusty
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Vulnerablity to the Internet
If my computer and modem are turned on but I have not accessed my browser (in my case Mozilla Firefox), is my computer vulnerable to the internet?
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Dusty
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- rjent
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Re: Vulnerablity to the Internet
In a word, yes. If you are online, even if you are not "browsing" or "surfing" the internet, your computer is still "seeable" from other computers out side of your network.
Most viruses and hackings come from a very small program (called bots, viruses, malware, spies, etc. ) that someone has downloaded (usually unbeknown to them) that then connects to other computers around the world. If you kill your connection, either by turning off your cable, DSL, WIFI, connection, the world can't see you and you are safe. There are many ways to protect yourself ....
So, in a word ---- Yes
Most viruses and hackings come from a very small program (called bots, viruses, malware, spies, etc. ) that someone has downloaded (usually unbeknown to them) that then connects to other computers around the world. If you kill your connection, either by turning off your cable, DSL, WIFI, connection, the world can't see you and you are safe. There are many ways to protect yourself ....
So, in a word ---- Yes
Dick
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And a plethora of small stuff .....
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1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Benjamin Franklin
- JPG
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Re: Vulnerablity to the Internet
How is one 'online' without a browser or some other communicating software active???
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Re: Vulnerablity to the Internet
Dusty, JPG,
Assuming when you say modem that you're referring to a broadband (cable, DSL) modem and not a dial-up modem, then yes, your computer is vulnerable.
Modern operating systems (Windows, Mac, Linux) with typical configurations are doing other things on the network, regardless if you have any browser(s) running or not. One of the first things that happens when your computer is starting is that your computer requests a network address; there was a major bug found a couple months ago that affects Unix (to include Mac and Linux) that was potentially exploitable just in this address assignment system (DHCP). Computers may be checking for OS/application updates in the background, syncing time, etc.
Additionally, they may be listening for new inbound traffic on what are known as ports and most OSes have more ports listening, or open, than a person really needs in the name of convenience. These listening ports can potentially be exploited by attackers (humans, bots, malware, whatever).
To help protect your computer (there is no such thing as a fully safe computer short of entombing it in some impenetrable material), you need to secure it in a number of ways, to include:
- Router connected directly to broadband modem, computers connect to router. This will stop a lot of malicious traffic before it can even make it to your computer.
- Keep your OS and applications patched.
- Disable unneeded services, close unneeded network ports. (This one is tough to determine what is unneeded, even for pros.)
- Ensure you have a good anti-virus program installed, set it to update daily, do full scans at least weekly.
- Ensure you have a software firewall installed.
- Be extremely careful of visiting unknown web sites. Even known sites can get malware via 3rd-party ads.
- Have a separate administrator account that you don't use for routine computer use.
- Use strong passwords everywhere, including for logging on. Do not re-use passwords across multiple sites, especially sensitive sites (banking, e-shopping, etc.). Strong passwords are evolving, a few years ago 8 characters of upper/lower/number/special character was generally considered strong enough; now general recommendations are at least 12 to 14 characters.
There are probably a few things I'm missing, but hopefully this gives you an idea of the complexity of keeping computers secure (and one wrong mistake can let the bad guys in -- just ask Sony about that).
Merry Christmas!
Roy
Assuming when you say modem that you're referring to a broadband (cable, DSL) modem and not a dial-up modem, then yes, your computer is vulnerable.
Modern operating systems (Windows, Mac, Linux) with typical configurations are doing other things on the network, regardless if you have any browser(s) running or not. One of the first things that happens when your computer is starting is that your computer requests a network address; there was a major bug found a couple months ago that affects Unix (to include Mac and Linux) that was potentially exploitable just in this address assignment system (DHCP). Computers may be checking for OS/application updates in the background, syncing time, etc.
Additionally, they may be listening for new inbound traffic on what are known as ports and most OSes have more ports listening, or open, than a person really needs in the name of convenience. These listening ports can potentially be exploited by attackers (humans, bots, malware, whatever).
To help protect your computer (there is no such thing as a fully safe computer short of entombing it in some impenetrable material), you need to secure it in a number of ways, to include:
- Router connected directly to broadband modem, computers connect to router. This will stop a lot of malicious traffic before it can even make it to your computer.
- Keep your OS and applications patched.
- Disable unneeded services, close unneeded network ports. (This one is tough to determine what is unneeded, even for pros.)
- Ensure you have a good anti-virus program installed, set it to update daily, do full scans at least weekly.
- Ensure you have a software firewall installed.
- Be extremely careful of visiting unknown web sites. Even known sites can get malware via 3rd-party ads.
- Have a separate administrator account that you don't use for routine computer use.
- Use strong passwords everywhere, including for logging on. Do not re-use passwords across multiple sites, especially sensitive sites (banking, e-shopping, etc.). Strong passwords are evolving, a few years ago 8 characters of upper/lower/number/special character was generally considered strong enough; now general recommendations are at least 12 to 14 characters.
There are probably a few things I'm missing, but hopefully this gives you an idea of the complexity of keeping computers secure (and one wrong mistake can let the bad guys in -- just ask Sony about that).
Merry Christmas!
Roy
Roy
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Sawstop 3HP 36" PCS w/router table insert
Home designed and built CNC router, another CNC router
desktop size, Avid 5x10 Pro CNC w/ATC, CNCed G0704 milling machine
Laser engraver
Way too much other stuff and not enough space
Mark V/510, Mark V/500 with parts for 510 upgrade, bandsaw, jointer, belt sander, DC3300 w/1 micron bag
Sawstop 3HP 36" PCS w/router table insert
Home designed and built CNC router, another CNC router
Laser engraver
Way too much other stuff and not enough space