Disappointing Demo
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Disappointing Demo
I have attended dozens of Shopsmith demonstrations, and have been informed, inspired, and entertained each time…. Until now.
Yesterday, March 12th, I attended the Shopsmith demo in Hagerstown MD. I’m sorry to report that this was the most pathetic demonstration of any product that I have ever seen.
The demonstrator was unorganized, uninformative, total lack of enthusiasm or showmanship, and at times was outright rude to observers.
His Mark 7 was dirty, and not maintained.
The headstock scraped when he slid it in either direction. When he raised up for the under table shaper demo, he realized the table and headstock were about a foot too high. He simply loosened the lock and allowed the headstock to freefall to a slam at the bottom. When he returned it to the horizontal, the head was seized on the way tubes, so he commenced beating on it with a block of wood. Finally after much beating and tugging, he got it to move, albeit reluctantly. I suggested that some JPW might be in order. He replied. No, it probably just need lubricated. I thought about it at last week’s demo, but I haven’t gotten around to it.
When he demoed the band saw, the rear bearing was shot. The noise was unbearable. I could tell the folks watching were put off by the sound as well, so I said “My band saw isn’t nearly that noisy. I think you need to replace that rear bearing.” He said something to the effect of, I’m going to get to that one of these days.
When nobody was around, I suggested that he should tell folks when they own a Shopsmith, there is a wealth of videos, and an amazing user forum available to help them get started and grow in woodworking. His reply was a shrug. At which point, I left.
During the demo, he said that Norm Abram got his start in woodworking on a Shopsmith inherited from his father. This is news to me. Has anyone else heard this? Is it true?
Yesterday, March 12th, I attended the Shopsmith demo in Hagerstown MD. I’m sorry to report that this was the most pathetic demonstration of any product that I have ever seen.
The demonstrator was unorganized, uninformative, total lack of enthusiasm or showmanship, and at times was outright rude to observers.
His Mark 7 was dirty, and not maintained.
The headstock scraped when he slid it in either direction. When he raised up for the under table shaper demo, he realized the table and headstock were about a foot too high. He simply loosened the lock and allowed the headstock to freefall to a slam at the bottom. When he returned it to the horizontal, the head was seized on the way tubes, so he commenced beating on it with a block of wood. Finally after much beating and tugging, he got it to move, albeit reluctantly. I suggested that some JPW might be in order. He replied. No, it probably just need lubricated. I thought about it at last week’s demo, but I haven’t gotten around to it.
When he demoed the band saw, the rear bearing was shot. The noise was unbearable. I could tell the folks watching were put off by the sound as well, so I said “My band saw isn’t nearly that noisy. I think you need to replace that rear bearing.” He said something to the effect of, I’m going to get to that one of these days.
When nobody was around, I suggested that he should tell folks when they own a Shopsmith, there is a wealth of videos, and an amazing user forum available to help them get started and grow in woodworking. His reply was a shrug. At which point, I left.
During the demo, he said that Norm Abram got his start in woodworking on a Shopsmith inherited from his father. This is news to me. Has anyone else heard this? Is it true?
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Re: Disappointing Demo
His name????
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Grand PooPah beat me to it. I am sure ShopSmith would like to know who this "representative" is ....JPG wrote:His name????
Dick
1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Benjamin Franklin
1965 Mark VII S/N 407684
1951 10 ER S/N ER 44570 -- Reborn 9/16/14
1950 10 ER S/N ER 33479 Reborn July 2016
1950 10 ER S/N ER 39671
1951 jigsaw X 2
1951 !0 ER #3 in rebuild
500, Jointer, Bsaw, Bsander, Planer
2014 Mark 7 W/Lift assist - 14 4" Jointer - DC3300
And a plethora of small stuff .....
"The trouble with quotes on the Internet is that you can never know if they are genuine." - Benjamin Franklin
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I hope his first name is not Dave. And I do not mean 'Smith'.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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It is true that Norm had a Shopsmith on the set of his very early wood working shows and then Delta came on scene. It is, however, a long stretch to say that Norm got his start on a Shopsmith. Norm was a carpenter before he become a TV celebrity. I know nothing about him inheriting a Shopsmith from his father.kablerj wrote:I have attended dozens of Shopsmith demonstrations, and have been informed, inspired, and entertained each time…. Until now.
Yesterday, March 12th, I attended the Shopsmith demo in Hagerstown MD. I’m sorry to report that this was the most pathetic demonstration of any product that I have ever seen.
The demonstrator was unorganized, uninformative, total lack of enthusiasm or showmanship, and at times was outright rude to observers.
His Mark 7 was dirty, and not maintained.
The headstock scraped when he slid it in either direction. When he raised up for the under table shaper demo, he realized the table and headstock were about a foot too high. He simply loosened the lock and allowed the headstock to freefall to a slam at the bottom. When he returned it to the horizontal, the head was seized on the way tubes, so he commenced beating on it with a block of wood. Finally after much beating and tugging, he got it to move, albeit reluctantly. I suggested that some JPW might be in order. He replied. No, it probably just need lubricated. I thought about it at last week’s demo, but I haven’t gotten around to it.
When he demoed the band saw, the rear bearing was shot. The noise was unbearable. I could tell the folks watching were put off by the sound as well, so I said “My band saw isn’t nearly that noisy. I think you need to replace that rear bearing.” He said something to the effect of, I’m going to get to that one of these days.
When nobody was around, I suggested that he should tell folks when they own a Shopsmith, there is a wealth of videos, and an amazing user forum available to help them get started and grow in woodworking. His reply was a shrug. At which point, I left.
During the demo, he said that Norm Abram got his start in woodworking on a Shopsmith inherited from his father. This is news to me. Has anyone else heard this? Is it true?
http://www.normstools.com/episode.shtml
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I think that is true. I have not seen them but people have said that in the very first episodes of The New Yankee Workshop there was a Shopsmith in the shop.kablerj wrote: During the demo, he said that Norm Abram got his start in woodworking on a Shopsmith inherited from his father. This is news to me. Has anyone else heard this? Is it true?
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When you asked, my first thought was Dave something. But I am not certain. I'm terrible with names. But I am sure Shopsmith knows who is doing the demo in Hagerstown MD this weekend.JPG wrote:I hope his first name is not Dave. And I do not mean 'Smith'.
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During the first year of New Yankee Workshop a Shopsmith occasionally made an appearance but the Shopsmith was never really featured.jsburger wrote:I think that is true. I have not seen them but people have said that in the very first episodes of The New Yankee Workshop there was a Shopsmith in the shop.kablerj wrote: During the demo, he said that Norm Abram got his start in woodworking on a Shopsmith inherited from his father. This is news to me. Has anyone else heard this? Is it true?
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There's a website purporting to list Norm's tools with a link to the Shopsmith tools he used and the episodes he used them in. It is extensive.
http://www.normstools.com/shopsmith.shtml
http://www.normstools.com/shopsmith.shtml
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Why is it a stretch to say that Norm got his start on a SS? Certainly not on his TV show but it could have gotten him started in wood working at a young age, just like a lot of us. For the demonstrator to say so that is a stretch, I agree, but he had one on his early shows.dusty wrote:It is true that Norm had a Shopsmith on the set of his very early wood working shows and then Delta came on scene. It is, however, a long stretch to say that Norm got his start on a Shopsmith. Norm was a carpenter before he become a TV celebrity. I know nothing about him inheriting a Shopsmith from his father.
http://www.normstools.com/episode.shtml
Look at Wikipedia, there is not much there but there is nothing that says he started as a "carpenter". He is a college graduate in engineering and business. The anecdote about the barn he built that resulted in This Old House and The New Yankee Workshop has been on one of the New Yankee Workshop shows.
As for the SS, Wikipedia says this about the first programs "The shop's layout and equipment were mostly Abram's preferences."
Why would anyone know anything about him inheriting a SS from his father unless he said it some where? Which apparently he has not. Again, not the demonstrators right to say.
Obviously SS did not launch his woodworking career but I bet it certainly influenced it. What is wrong with that?
SS should investigate this demonstrator and depending on the results should not let him represent the company. That demo was absurd.
John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT