rubber-bonded abrasive wheel

[dasgud]

Why, exactly, did you join this forum Ted?

[Ed in Tampa]

This interchange highlights the difference between the American and the English mind ,English people of my age [77] were brought up to be modest ,the common saying of parents was "dont show off",Here in New Zealand where I now live it,s known as "skiting" and if you pepper your conversation with things you own ,you get a few sideways glances and folk tend to talk about you a bit ,so maybe someone of my mindset isnt suitable to join in your forum,I keep getting this uncharitable feeling I want to burst your bubble,,Oh ,and FrancIs ,I own about 5 hammers ,[you,ve got me at it now] Ted 5 hammers

Hey hey before everyone piles on Ted let us stop for a minute and think about what he said. I think some of us do wear our tools as a badge of honor or at least as someone that should be listened to.

I know I listed all my tools and frankly it bothered me. I have since removed them all from my list.

We can all learn from each other. I have learned wood working tips from guys that never built a thing. Likewise I have been led down the primrose path by "experts" that have woodworking businesses.

I don't think anyone's opinion should be summarily discounted, we should read each one and see if there is something in it for us and if not move on.

Ted made an observation, and in some cases it is probably valid in others not. In response he got a lecture, a very tacitful one, but a lecture nontheless. He then responded to that lecture and now it seems people are anxious to pile on. Is that how we want to be seen?

Hey if you list your tools for not other reason that to let everyone knows what you got. Great! If you list your tools in hopes of establishing youself as an expert! Super if it works. Hopefully what will be really judged is what you say not to establish you as an expert or a rookie but rather if you have an idea or thought that would help us in our woodworking.

If any of us haven't learned from a rookie then we aren't really looking to learn.

[ted766]

I joined to tell you about [in my opinion],the best sharpening idea since sliced bread ,as we say ,in spite of the posturing statements this fact stands .and when all the hot air evaporates you are left with this fact ,Ted 5 hammers,2 screwdrivers,[the list grows]

[robinson46176]

I joined to tell you about [in my opinion],the best sharpening idea since sliced bread ,as we say ,in spite of the posturing statements this fact stands .and when all the hot air evaporates you are left with this fact ,Ted 5 hammers,2 screwdrivers,[the list grows]

The rubber bonded wheel may well be an excellent sharpening idea. I have never tried one but it sounds good and I wouldn't mind getting one to try. You are wrong about one thing though... I just tried a piece of sliced bread and it truly sucks at sharpening...
Now, are those all claw hammers? How about those screw drivers? are they both straight bladed or is one Phillips. Come to think of it, is Phillips a standard where you are or is something else more common. I have no idea about the spread of such things. My favorite is the combo screws with the square drive and Phillips both.
About all we see of New Zealand here is travel shows that sadly would have us believe that New Zealand is composed of sheep, grass, kiwi's and a dozen houses. We all know that there is much more but we never see it. It is kind of like how about all we see of the UK on our news is the royal family.
Do you live in a city or a rural area?
How about woodworking? What type is your favorite type if you have one? I would suppose that your available woods are a lot different than many we use.
Are Shopsmiths at all common there? I am a tool freak and I always want to know what the next guy has in his tool box. It isn't a competition, just interest.
I'm not sure how to phrase this question because I have no idea. Maybe you don't either. Are your major tools patterned more like American machines or European machines?
Chat with us before you try to dissect us.

[charlese]

I would like to welcome Ted to the forum. We need more wood carvers! Besides, at 77 he is as old as I am. That, besides carving gives us two common faculties.

Thanks for your words about the rubber bonded wheels. I have seen them mentioned in the instruction manual for the grinder attachment, but didn't know where to find them. I appreciate knowing the source for them, you gave us.

From time to time we have had squabbles on this forum. It has been said we resemble a large family gathering at a Thanksgiving table. Things get better soon after. After all we have a lot in common.

[JPG]

Different strokes for different folks. Different views from different vantage points. Different interpretations by residents of different locales. Different sense of humor by different 'upbringing'.

i.e. We ALL be different. Some of us are 'more different' than others. Now had you revealed early on your location on the opposite side of the equator and many degrees of longitude from 'us' we could have reacted differently knowing the 'culture' differences.

I have myself gotten in more hot than tepid water in the past on this forum(such is the 'price' of individuality and 'unique' mindset). I have learned that what is just plain dry subtle humor to me is fighting words to others. I am not going to judge either myself or the different minded folks, but have come to realize they are different. There is more than enough room on this forum for us all.

Now I would not recommend getting into a 'war of words' with certain farmers nor a tool count contest. Really there is no point to it. The listing of 'toys' has more to do with just plain basic information than with a brag list. In my case if I(or farmer for that matter) wanted to 'brag' by listing all that is in my possesion there would be much less storage space for more useful purposes. That 'growing pile' I refer to is quite large to say the least. When I get each additional piece up and functional, I MAY add it to that 'list' but will only do so it there is some significant point in doing so. You may have noticed some pix I posted today of items that are not specifically mentioned in my signature line. Don't matter at all! I mention it only to make the point that list is NOT a biggie!

Now the best thing to do is to take any posts for what they are worth to you and overlook anything that seems upsetting. I have learned the hard way that first reactions are not always appropriate. Instant rebuttals can and will bite back especially if based on something mis-understood. Add environmental differences and all that gets mucky much quicker.

FWIW you have exposed several folks to the rubber bonded sharpening wheels and created an interest in them by them.(them's two different thems:D) Ain't English pronouns Wunnerful?

G'day:)

[bearbon]

I have one of the Shop Smith grinding wheel guards with the rubber-bonded abrasive wheel I was going to list on eBay. It looks like it was never used. After reading about the potential danger of using one of these incorrectly, and the fact that I don't do wood turning on my machine I don't really need it. I sharpen knives and chisels on a wet hone. The rubber abrasive wheels aren't available from Shop Smith anymore. I would like to get $75 for the whole accessory or $40 just for the abrasive wheel if anyone is interested.

[charlese]

Wasn't going to comment again in this old thread, but all the viterol got under my skin.

It seems obvious to me that Shopsmith stopped offering the rubber bonded wheel because either they didn't have enough demand, profit, or -- they ran into a safety issue with the knuckleheads that didn't know how to use the rubber bonded wheel on a Mark V. All one has to do is reverse the Shopsmith Grinding Wheel Guard (a simple rotating action) and sharpen from the other side of the machine.

It response to a post that said particles would then fly up into the air - the rotated guard captures the upper part of the wheel, just as it captures the down flying sparks when used in the front of the machine.

My manual fully explains sharpening from the back side of the Mark V.

Ted who has been a wood carver for 40 years must really appreciate sharp knives and gouges. He must also understand the makeup of the wood he carves. I know from experience in carving sharp tools are extremely important. If rubber backed grinding wheels give him the best results, I have to believe him.

In my shop i don't have a rubber backed grinding wheel and have found I can get pretty good edges with the strip sander and a stropping belt. One of these days when I get back into carving, I will try out one of those rubber backed wheels. Carving was a good and profitable pastime before Shopsmith days and will again be a fallback when handling heavy wood parts and furniture becomes a chore.

[JohnVV]

You are spot on. Unfortunately, I had the experience you describe about 25 years ago. The result: a section on the front radius of the wheel tore out when the chisel engaged the wheel. However, I can still use the side of the wheel, with care, and also the radius, with care. The value of this simple wheel far outweighs the care required in its use--a mirror finish. I can understand why they're quite pricy if you ever find them on ebay.

[garys]

I have one on my bench grinder in the garage. I like it for sharpening as it polishes the edge as it sharpens. Mine is not a Shopsmith, but rather some generic brand that fits the 6" bench grinder. This style wheel is still readily available from many suppliers.
I have never considered grinding with any kind of wheel with the sharp edge facing the oncoming wheel, so using this wheel is just as safe as any other kind. Always face the sharp edge to the part of the wheel pulling away.
I don't understand why anybody would face the sharp edge against the oncoming part of the wheel........EVER!