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JPG wrote:If the 'old' quill operates correctly in the 'new' headstock, I would suggest(to SSCS) that you return the quill for 'examination by them.
IIRC you already tried the old quill in the new headstock.
Question is, is the new quill feed stuff relevant/culpable?
Have we not already eliminated the half dog set screw?
If not, a definite candidate. I thought the quill had been already removed etc.. However rpms would not change vibration with that.
It has to be something sensitive to rotation.
Two different problems? Vibration, lack of retraction.
I had drawn that conclusion myself but since he is asking and since the quill does not retract as it should, I now have some doubts. I am surprised that removing the quill was not one of the first things Shopsmith would suggest.
BTW, Yes, the quill should go all the way out and retract all the way if the half dog set screw (on top of the headstock) is properly installed.
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!. Try the old quill in the new headstock and I think that you said the vibration went away but the quill still would not retract. 2. Change the pinion shaft from the new headstock with the pinion shaft from the old headstock.
3.Is the vibration gone?
4. Does the quill retract as in the old headstock?
5. If the answer is "yes" to #3 and#4 Then the problem is in the quill and pinion shaft. ( may actually be two problems )
6. Install the quill and pinion shafts from the new unit into the old headstock. Does the problem move to the old headstock? If "yes" then the quill and the pinion shaft should be returned to SS for an engineering evaluation. If "no" then there is another condition.
Come back here. We will try again. I have another suggestion but it is way out in left field.
Bill V
JPG wrote:If the 'old' quill operates correctly in the 'new' headstock, I would suggest(to SSCS) that you return the quill for 'examination by them.
IIRC you already tried the old quill in the new headstock.
Question is, is the new quill feed stuff relevant/culpable?
Have we not already eliminated the half dog set screw?
If not, a definite candidate. I thought the quill had been already removed etc.. However rpms would not change vibration with that.
It has to be something sensitive to rotation.
Two different problems? Vibration, lack of retraction.
JPG, wa2crk, could the splined shaft (spindle assembly) that drives the quill be bent and therefore cause the vibration as it extends? It would also explain the difficulty retracting .... No? (Spindle assy #62)
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wa2crk wrote:!. Try the old quill in the new headstock and I think that you said the vibration went away but the quill still would not retract. 2. Change the pinion shaft from the new headstock with the pinion shaft from the old headstock.
3.Is the vibration gone?
4. Does the quill retract as in the old headstock?
5. If the answer is "yes" to #3 and#4 Then the problem is in the quill and pinion shaft. ( may actually be two problems )
6. Install the quill and pinion shafts from the new unit into the old headstock. Does the problem move to the old headstock? If "yes" then the quill and the pinion shaft should be returned to SS for an engineering evaluation. If "no" then there is another condition.
Come back here. We will try again. I have another suggestion but it is way out in left field.
Bill V
If I understand correctly - this is a new PowerPro and is under warranty. There is a limit to what the customer can do without adversely effecting that warranty.
Furthermore, if it is a new unit - Shopsmith should be head over heels in the resolution.
I love to deal with situations like this. It was my job for many years but we must not allow ourselves to get carried away with suggestions that might become inappropriate given the situation.
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"Making Sawdust Safely" Dusty
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dusty wrote:
If I understand correctly - this is a new PowerPro and is under warranty. There is a limit to what the customer can do withoiut adversely effecting that warranty.
Furthermore, if it is a new unit - Shopsmith should be head over heels in the resolution.
I love to deal with situations like this. It was my job for many years but we must not allow ourselves to get carried away with suggestions that might become inappropriate given the situation.
Totally agree! A few posts ago I suggested checking with Shopsmith before tinkering for this very reason.
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Answer to your post of 1701 hrs today Yes and Yes depending on the degree of bend. I would at this time remove both the old and the new quills and go through a part by part comparison being careful not to mingle the old parts and the new. A bent quill shaft can be easily detected by rolling it across a flat surface. If it bounces a bit it ain't straight.
The fact that the frequency of vibration increases at higher speed is consistent with something being loose. The faster you rotate it the faster it will slap around.
Now is the time to get really detailed and log your findings. Sure would want to know what is causing this. Don't mind my agitation but I am one of those guys that just don't let inanimate objects get the better of me
Bill V
There was one occasion that was reported on this site in which the idler shaft was pushed into the interior of the headstock during shipment. It is possible that the quill shaft was bent during shipping. The quill shaft is tough but not indestructible.
Sorry this took so long to post, life got in the way of play again!
So I called SS and asked to speak to CS about what was done to my headstock. They referred me to Sue Powell who apparently does the repair work on the headstocks. She was very nice and remembered working on my headstock.
She and another tech also felt the same vibration / chattering that I did and she said they adjusted things to spec and sent it back. I politely expressed that it still vibrated and the quill didn't retract either. She offered to let me send it back again, which for now I've declined.
The more we talked about what was going on she did agree that it was not vibration free like my old head stock and the vibrations I'm feeling are "normal" due to "build up of tolerance issues" in the parts. Which I think translates to crappy manufacturing. She assured me that other than being annoying, there was nothing being damaged inside and while they would be happy to work on it again, she could not guarantee it wouldn't still have issues. I asked if it was anything I could do myself and she gave me a definite NO. Also, shared that when I pushed on it laterally the vibration went away and she didn't think that was significant or useful...again Tolerances.
I did drill some new holes and they are nice a round this time so they must have done something but I still think I could go to Harbor Freight Tools and get a drill press that ran smoother for under $100.
On the quill issue (which begs the question, how did it leave in this condition if you worked on it...and no I didn't as that question) she has advised me to loosen the set screw on the top and to make sure there were no burrs or junk in the groove that would be holding it up.
Sooooooo, not sure what if anything to do next. It drills a decent hole, I can probably get the quill to work so I guess I just chalk it up to "tolerances" and keep moving?
What do you guys think? I just don't want to keep shipping 80lbs of headstock back and forth.
TomH wrote:Sorry this took so long to post, life got in the way of play again!
So I called SS and asked to speak to CS about what was done to my headstock. They referred me to Sue Powell who apparently does the repair work on the headstocks. She was very nice and remembered working on my headstock.
She and another tech also felt the same vibration / chattering that I did and she said they adjusted things to spec and sent it back. I politely expressed that it still vibrated and the quill didn't retract either. She offered to let me send it back again, which for now I've declined.
The more we talked about what was going on she did agree that it was not vibration free like my old head stock and the vibrations I'm feeling are "normal" due to "build up of tolerance issues" in the parts. Which I think translates to crappy manufacturing. She assured me that other than being annoying, there was nothing being damaged inside and while they would be happy to work on it again, she could not guarantee it wouldn't still have issues. I asked if it was anything I could do myself and she gave me a definite NO. Also, shared that when I pushed on it laterally the vibration went away and she didn't think that was significant or useful...again Tolerances.
I did drill some new holes and they are nice a round this time so they must have done something but I still think I could go to Harbor Freight Tools and get a drill press that ran smoother for under $100.
On the quill issue (which begs the question, how did it leave in this condition if you worked on it...and no I didn't as that question) she has advised me to loosen the set screw on the top and to make sure there were no burrs or junk in the groove that would be holding it up.
Sooooooo, not sure what if anything to do next. It drills a decent hole, I can probably get the quill to work so I guess I just chalk it up to "tolerances" and keep moving?
What do you guys think? I just don't want to keep shipping 80lbs of headstock back and forth.
And thanks again for all the help!
Assuming your aren't the proverbial Princess and the vibration
Isn't the proverbial pea, I am deeply disappointed. I think if vibration were typical, we'd have heard from other members with power pro headstocks. I'd be inclined to send it back and request a loaner while they work in it. Plainly it was not properly adjusted given the quill retraction issue. Should never have left the factory in that condition. This is very upsetting to me as I hope to be a future power pro customer and this makes me wonder whether it is worth it.
Gale's Law: The bigger the woodworking project, the less the mistakes show in any photo taken far enough away to show the entire project!
I've had a PowerPro (DIY install) since Sept of 2010. I recall a note in the DIY instructions that slight distortion of the headstock casting could occur, and I do believe I can sense that, as though the massive motor weight imposes some slight pressure or torque on the casting. If the Quill is nice, clean and waxed, no problems. But if it's getting dirty it can sometimes hang up a bit on retraction, probably more often that I had seen with the original induction motor setup. Beyond the clean & wax habit, I make a habit of tightening down both Quill lock-wingnuts every now and then, so the rack & pinion system on the quill doesn't get too wayward in the lateral direction.
