Human finger in Saw Stop

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Ed, I go to 2 different WC stores and 1 Rockler, I think inventory/cost keeps them from having TS on floor for sale. I dont know if they are on commission or they have to buy them. WC are franchised, Rockler are company stores, in the 2 WC I go to here in WI stock varies, because they have to buy it, at least small items, dont know about machinery.

You have a hard time selling things you can't deliver today. When I pull the trigger on things I want them now.

I want it NOW!!!!! stomp! stomp!

[Ed in Tampa]

Personally I don't think the saw stop technology has effected the manufacturing world to the degree many of us imagine. If you remember Gass' own words when describing the how the saw stop worked he said it was similar to a touch lamp. I don't think that technology can be patented. Gass isn't paying any lamp company to use their patent nor is any lamp company paying Gass. So that technology is usable by all. I think/believe if the manufactures really wanted this technology they would have jumped on it. Bosch has made a similar saw but seem to dragging their feed bringing it to market. I think their market potential people are saying there isn't much demand.

Compare Home Depot 10-15 years ago to today. They had two models of table saws and kept 5 units of the saw in store today they only have bench top units. Stationary units must be ordered but even the catalogues are gone.

Our Woodcraft store would have three to four models of table saws on displays with units in boxes/pallets ready to go. Today they have a saw stop or two and they are order only.

The market is almost gone for table saws

Unless your touch lamp fires a pyrotechnic charge that smashes a piece of metal against its own bulb to turn itself off, I suspect there's a world of difference between it and SawStop. The U.S. Patent Office certainly thought so because it issued SawStop numerous patents on its brake system. Those will get challenged now that Gass has sued for patent infringement and a court will decide whether the patents are valid or not.

Other than Ryobi, none of the manufacturers originally wanted anything to do with technology to make their saws safer if accidentally touched because they feared it would make their other saws look unsafe and make them more susceptible to products liability suits for unequipped saws. That's why the other manufacturers allegedly threatened Ryobi and made Ryobi back out of the deal: if they could prevent SawStop from getting beyond the blackboard or a prototype or two they could argue the design was untested and thus they weren't required to make a safer saw. They never imagined that, after being spurned by a tool industry unified against him, Gass would actually do something as crazy as start making his own table saws and installing the technology in them.

Anyway, now that the cat's out of the bag, they (PTI) are so desperate to come up with something that works as well but avoids Gass' patents (and the royalty payments/licensing fees they would have to otherwise pay), that they formed a joint venture research project to do just that. If they succeed, they will advertise the heck out of their "safer" table saws.

Ironically, I think it is this technology (SawsStop and whatever PTI comes up with) that will save the table saw from extinction.

I think it ironic(maybe?) that Ryobi was the culprit in the Osario case since Ryobi had previously been aligning with Gass.

My question is now if Ryobi really wanted the technology, got "talked" out of and then got burnt, why don,t they use it today.

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Maybe they also got burnt while starting fire for the bridge.

[Ed in Tampa]

Ed, I go to 2 different WC stores and 1 Rockler, I think inventory/cost keeps them from having TS on floor for sale. I dont know if they are on commission or they have to buy them. WC are franchised, Rockler are company stores, in the 2 WC I go to here in WI stock varies, because they have to buy it, at least small items, dont know about machinery.

You have a hard time selling things you can't deliver today. When I pull the trigger on things I want them now.

I want it NOW!!!!! stomp! stomp!

I know this is humor but when I decide to make a purchase of more than a few hundred I do extensive research. When I reach a decision I'm usually to the point that I need the thing today. I don't want it shipped"mangled", dropped, mid-handled. Before you get my money I get to examine the product, packing box, etc. I don't buy missing or damaged parts as things that just happen.

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The only thing that "just happens" is NOTHING!




i.e. there is nothing that just happens.



True either way.

[ERLover]

I agree Ed, on dropping big money I too want it now, but also in todays age unless it is electronics or appliances that does not usually happen.

[Ed in Tampa]

I agree Ed, on dropping big money I too want it now, but also in todays age unless it is electronics or appliances that does not usually happen.

Merchants only operate within the bounds the consumers set. If we accept 2 week order and delivery of products that look like they spent the last month in the middle of a war, that is what we will get.
Why do you think cars cost what a house once did. If we the consumer did not buy them the price would come down. However the mind set of many in our society is they appear to be big shots to pay outrageous prices.

MORE MONEY THAN BRAINS!