Space confusion

[algale]

If spt storage is the 'only' goal, two legs, two end caps and some 1 1/2" emt conduit will 'do'.

Casters optional.

Storage isn't the only goal. As I said in my original post it will hold them "at the ready" meaning ready to use without doing anything else.

Will not that hold them the same as a shorty?

Hold them, yes, but not ready for use until mounted on something with a headstock. That's why I want a shorty/mini.

[Hobbyman2]

Since I am just in this for the hobby ,,,,,,, and sanity ,,,,,,,,,,,,, I only need 1 , although I am starting to think about a garage addition for all the extras I am accumulating .


Hobbyman2

[robinson46176]

I don't have time right now to get into this but I wanted to say that it is a good question. I'll plan to cover it tonight if I don't wear myself out too much trying to actually accomplish something.
The sun is shining and I don't even need a jacket...


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[everettdavis]

Since I am just in this for the hobby ,,,,,,, and sanity ,,,,,,,,,,,,, I only need 1 , although I am starting to think about a garage addition for all the extras I am accumulating .


Hobbyman2

I bought a reasonably priced custom built 10 x 20 elevated barn storage building that was built by the Mennonite Craftsmen in a small community 50 miles from Lubbock that I am delighted with. I had them spray underneath the flooring to add foam insulation which set it up for me to finish it out.

They custom matched my trim on my house, and painted it to match, roofing it with the same GAF Timberline shingles on my house. They delivered it free, and it looks like it has been part of the property forever.

You can add a power distribution panel, and make it a shop, a storage / service center, and store wood and projects. In my community 10 x 20 didn't require a building permit. It requires electrical permitting and inspection, if you add electrical once it is on-site.

Just a thought, and if you ever decide you want to move your residence, it is still portable.

Everett

[tdorey]

Its also goes against the notion that "its easy and quick" to change between tools. The truth is, depending on what you are working on, it can be a pain, especially from to too table saw mode. So having more than one helps with some of that.

[jsburger]

I bought my first SS because I was working in a garage that had 2 vehicles in it. Now I have a 30' X 40' dedicated shop so I have plenty of room for dedicated tools which I have. About half are SS. Two dedicated drill presses, one a MK V and the other a 10ER. The SS band saw is on a power stand. I have a Pro Planer and a stand alone Teal scroll saw. The power station pretty much stays set up with the old style SS jig saw with sanding strips for my wife's scroll saw projects. Then there is the shorty that mostly stays set up for sanding with the sanding disk and either the strip sander or belt sander on the end.

Yes, SS has marketed them as a complete wood working shop with the foot print of a bicycle. However, if one has the room why not more than one? They make very versatile dedicated work stations.

[Hobbyman2]

Since I am just in this for the hobby ,,,,,,, and sanity ,,,,,,,,,,,,, I only need 1 , although I am starting to think about a garage addition for all the extras I am accumulating .


Hobbyman2

I bought a reasonably priced custom built 10 x 20 elevated barn storage building that was built by the Mennonite Craftsmen in a small community 50 miles from Lubbock that I am delighted with. I had them spray underneath the flooring to add foam insulation which set it up for me to finish it out.

They custom matched my trim on my house, and painted it to match, roofing it with the same GAF Timberline shingles on my house. They delivered it free, and it looks like it has been part of the property forever.

You can add a power distribution panel, and make it a shop, a storage / service center, and store wood and projects. In my community 10 x 20 didn't require a building permit. It requires electrical permitting and inspection, if you add electrical once it is on-site.

Just a thought, and if you ever decide you want to move your residence, it is still portable.

Everett

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Sounds nice.
If I keep on accumulating more tools I may have to have some thing like that,,,,,, just for my tools.

I think I need a 40x60 pole barn!!! with a loft

My wife's aunt & uncle have one of those cabins made by the Amish by their pound ,,, that sounds like close to the same thing,,,,,very solid nice well built structure,,,,even has a wood stove ,,also portable ,,,, was delivered by a team of horses and a wagon with wooden wheels .

They live in Amish country .





We bought the family home years ago so I don't see us moving .

I grew up here ,,,we have spent so much time remodeling the place i wouldn't feel at home any where else.

Well ,,,short of living on a secluded trout lake some where that is.


Hobbyman2

[BuckeyeDennis]

When I was a boy, my Erector Set was my favorite toy. So unsurprisingly, I love the fact that I can reconfigure my Shopsmiths for whatever unusual operation I might wish to do. But I hate doing it frequently, for routine operations, because then I can't get as much woodworking done in the available shop time.

Having multiple Shopsmiths is, to me, the best of both worlds. Especially when augmented with a few specialized standalones.

[robinson46176]

Well, it's like this...
It took me a good while to really accept that my main hobbies are tools and shops.
There are all kinds of ways to enjoy a hobby. Some folks like to spend months and months making a wooden shot glass to hold a few toothpicks. Others might want to build a 40' foot sail boat in a couple of weeks. Me? I like (more like driven to) working on a dozen or more projects at the same time. Kind of bizarre right? It might stem from a lifetime of farming and working several other occupations at the same time. I also have a lot of things that need working on.
In my life I have been poor, then been well off, then been poor then well off again. Not uncommon when you prefer to be self employed.
I figured that I was only going to be retired once so I should just do what I wanted to and that is largely shop stuff.
The reason I built the Push-me, pull-me double drill press was so that if I made a sort of complex set-up that I will need again soon I just leave it alone and use the other side. If I end up with two different jobs sat-up I still have more drill presses I can use by having Shopsmiths. As John was saying, if you have the room, why not...
After having fairly minimal woodshop spaces much of my life I now have the space so why not?
By now taking the rest of the basement in as a non dust making part of the woodshop it is now a total of 1500 square feet. SHhhhhhh I still have not talked about it out loud yet, it is just happening quietly.
I like having both Shopsmiths and other stand alone tools. As a rule I don't use a SS as a table saw but have no qualms about doing so. I mostly prefer my Ridgid TS-3650 but I have 2 other lesser but functional tablesaws shoved back to the wall. I have a SS jointer and a stand alone 6" long bed jointer. At this point I am only using the long bed but the SS is there if I need it. I am going to be working on a rental house this year and I am going to take one of my extra SS's there to use and I will take along an SS jointer to use there since there will be a lot of trim work this time.
I tend to think of my old Mark VII almost as a dedicated dado cutter but it can also be used for about anything else. The SS bandsaw gets stuck on about any of the SS's (except the 10-ER) but it is to end up staying on a mini. Something else will live on the other end.
As an example of why I wanted multiples was the desire to produce anywhere from 2 to a dozen of an item like the reproductions of some fair sized antique trunks and boxes I have collected. I want to make a set-up for groups of cuts and be able to leave it sit and move to the next group of cuts and make that set-up and so on but then be able to go back and use the earlier set-ups without having to make those set-ups all over again. It is basically a production environment rather than a one at a time hobby creation but to me it is still a hobby level.
I kind of have to squeeze woodworking in with the many other hobbies I have. This week I am working in the farm shop trying to get things back in proper order to do a couple of tractor engine rebuilds (I have 17 old tractors ranging from restored to basket case projects) and some maintenance on the vans and trucks and some upgrade work on the motor-home. I have a Gravely two wheel garden tractor and a Troybilt tiller to get running before spring (I have 12 old two wheel garden tractors). This afternoon I removed a large Reznor overhead gas furnace that is no longer used. While it hangs from the ceiling it hangs low enough to block some floor space and I was tired of banging my head on it. Tomorrow I will move the tire changer and a batch of stray cabinets and odd "stuff". Are hobbies supposed to be this much work?
Of course the horses are everyday and I am getting ready for 2 more client horses this week. I try to get in a little bit of genealogy work each day. Gardening and pumpkin patch growing will be starting soon along with all that mowing. I am very slowly working on about 8 vintage sewing machines.


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[benush26]

I've had 6. I'm down to 4 and hopefully down to 1 by this summer. I bought my first one new in 1981. Dad had his 10ER and after watching a demo I decided to buy a new one. A couple years later I sold it (divorce). I kept most all my hand and power tools including a Craftsman table saw. I still have most every tool I bought (except those I found not worth ever keeping ). When I retired the only SS I had was Dad's 10. I bought one 500 with the idea of retrofitting it to a 520. Then I bought another 500 which was in MUCH better shape and it was to become the 520. Next was a 510 to yet become a 520 and possibly a Mark 7. Along the way I acquired a DC, 3 bandsaws, a belt sander, updated jointer, biscuit cutter and LOTS of odds and ends when I purchased those 3 SSs. A few years back I decided to end the upgrade process and just buy a Mark 7.
I have neither the room nor inclination to make shorties or have multiple 500s as work stations.

My biggest frustration with the SS has always been the table saw functionality. Many have made it quite acceptable, but having been trained on cabinet saws the size of aircraft carriers, , I just didn't like making do.
When, a while back, I said I was selling my extra ShopSmiths, my decision was "questioned" by a couple of members (John and big bad Bob), who I guess had nothing better to do than stick their noses where they did NOT belong. . Sorry for the regression but it still pisses me off.

I truly appreciate the wisdom and ingenuity of members here and part of that led me to buying the Mark 7 and keeping it with a lot of SPTs. I find the PowerPro an incredibly versatile motor, making it truly worth the price when using it in many of the ShopSmith positions.

But as with many things, time changes goals and directions. I again find the table saw portion not adequate, though this time it is because of my inadequacies to function. I've been assured by many friends that a good track saw will help me achieve the precision I want in long cuts on sheets goods so I have a decent one coming next week (or at least I HOPE it's decent ).

My use of a ShopSmith no longer for me seems to fit the role of MAIN tool but now is auxiliary in purpose.

Therefore the "space" I allocate is similar to any other job specific tool and have devised ways to make everything that is auxiliary, something that rolls to the ShopSmith, where ever in the shop it might be. That and I am getting VERY LAZY, not wanting to walk any short distance to get something.

So filling in the survey for me would be, 1, 4, 6 sort of and soon back to 1.

Be well,
Ben