Old Dog needs help!

This is a forum for intermediate to advanced woodworkers. Show off your projects or share your ideas.

Moderator: admin

User avatar
reible
Platinum Member
Posts: 11283
Joined: Thu Jul 20, 2006 12:08 pm
Location: Aurora, IL

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by reible »

Can we assume that you have checked that all the locks are locked? Especially the quill lock? Unaccounted for movement always has a reason and the simplest things need to be checked first. Start at the saw arbor and work back checking all the locks.

Ed
{Knight of the Shopsmith} [Hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags]
Hobbyman2
Platinum Member
Posts: 2673
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:52 am
Location: Ohio

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by Hobbyman2 »

the sled may be raising up off the table just a bit ?


Hobbyman2
Hobbyman2 Favorite Quote: "If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George S. Patton (1885-1945)
dgreen810
Gold Member
Posts: 478
Joined: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:17 pm
Location: Tulsa Area

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by dgreen810 »

Thanks for all the replies. A few answers.

The sled has two runners. The miter slots are square to the sanding disc and is square to a Master Plate.

I took JPG's advice and removed the work piece after making the cut instead of retrieving it back through the blade and the cuts improved noticeable.

I am confident the sled is square to the blade but but somehow the work piece is creeping slightly. In the past I simply used the Incra Miter incorporating the fence from an original Incra Jig and got good results and finishing the cut using the disc sander as was offered as a suggestion.

I just thought by making a sled, it would be accurate and eliminate a step or two. (I tend to be somewhat lazy sometimes).

I did modify the old Incra Jig stop block somewhat as shown in the attached photo

Thanks again for all the suggestions.

Don G
Attachments
IMGP0039.JPG
IMGP0039.JPG (669.85 KiB) Viewed 6891 times
IMGP0040.JPG
IMGP0040.JPG (617.79 KiB) Viewed 6891 times
User avatar
wa2crk
Platinum Member
Posts: 3080
Joined: Sat Jul 22, 2006 7:37 am
Location: Leesburg, Fl

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by wa2crk »

Quite a long time ago someone on the internet posted a video showing how to true up a table saw sled using 5 steps and one adjustment. Made a dead on cut after one adjustment.
Bill V
dgreen810
Gold Member
Posts: 478
Joined: Sun Dec 15, 2013 3:17 pm
Location: Tulsa Area

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by dgreen810 »

Wa2crk

I remember seeing that video a couple of years ago. However, I am still not comfortable with the table being tilted with one arm at chest high and the other at your waist and the stock trying to slide. Just seems like too much "Holding on " to suit me. It's really not too much of a problem, there is always the radial arm saw it I start using too much wood. :( :(

Don G
ecom1
Gold Member
Posts: 138
Joined: Wed Nov 11, 2015 1:32 am
Location: Vancouver Island, Canada

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by ecom1 »

William Ng posted the 5 cut video on Youtube. I've also seen a solution where a sled was made that rode on the table horizontally, but introduces the board at 45 degrees to the blade like this
Attachments
bevel table.jpg
bevel table.jpg (12.25 KiB) Viewed 6864 times
Ed

Shopsmith: 2 Mark V 510 (1988,1993), bandsaw, jointer, mounted planer, belt sander, scroll saw, strip sander, lathe duplicator, conical disc sander, biscuit joiner, free standing router table with Jointech IPM-1
Other stuff: Bosch glide mitre, Ridgid 13" planer, Rikon drill press, routers, drills, and other toys
Hobbyman2
Platinum Member
Posts: 2673
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:52 am
Location: Ohio

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by Hobbyman2 »

Doing that may require a zero clearance insert. ?

Hobbyman2
Hobbyman2 Favorite Quote: "If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George S. Patton (1885-1945)
User avatar
jsburger
Platinum Member
Posts: 6585
Joined: Fri Jul 21, 2006 4:06 pm
Location: Hooper, UT

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by jsburger »

dgreen810 wrote:Wa2crk

I remember seeing that video a couple of years ago. However, I am still not comfortable with the table being tilted with one arm at chest high and the other at your waist and the stock trying to slide. Just seems like too much "Holding on " to suit me. It's really not too much of a problem, there is always the radial arm saw it I start using too much wood. :( :(

Don G
The work piece will tend to creep resulting in what you are seeing even if the table is not tilted. The same thing happens on my cabinet saw so it is not unique to the SS.

The SS miter gauge with it's hold down prevents the stock from moving. When I use my sleds on the SS I use a stop block clamped to the sled fence for repeated cuts. For a single cut if I want a precise cut I clamp the stock to the fence.

One thing that makes a difference is good quality SHARP blades.
John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
User avatar
JPG
Platinum Member
Posts: 35600
Joined: Wed Dec 10, 2008 7:42 pm
Location: Lexington, Ky (TAMECAT territory)

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by JPG »

Hobbyman2 wrote:Doing that may require a zero clearance insert. ?

Hobbyman2
By creating the edge of the sled with the saw blade used, the advantages of a zero clearance insert is obtained since the edge of the sled acts as a backup that will eliminate tearout.
╔═══╗
╟JPG ╢
╚═══╝

Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10
E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
Hobbyman2
Platinum Member
Posts: 2673
Joined: Wed Feb 01, 2017 12:52 am
Location: Ohio

Re: Old Dog needs help!

Post by Hobbyman2 »

I would be as concerned about the small piece of waste binding between the blade and the insert as well as tear out, I understand what ya are saying though.

I make my table inserts for different cuts ,,especially angle cuts and dado's ,usually from wood ,,, piece of cake on the SS.

Maybe tomorrow I can take a couple pictures.

Hobbyman2
Hobbyman2 Favorite Quote: "If a man does his best, what else is there?"
- General George S. Patton (1885-1945)
Post Reply