Steve Gass is at it again

[JPG]

Perhaps if the manuals did not have pageS of marginally applicable or simply not relevant at all 'stuff', users would read the relevant safety warnings.

[rcplaneguy]

I much prefer the Bosch approach. A shame if it is not sold for a reasonable price.

[rcplaneguy]

Perhaps if the manuals did not have pageS of marginally applicable or simply not relevant at all 'stuff', users would read the relevant safety warnings.

Amen to that. Worthless boilerplate text.

[jsburger]

Who else markets this technology? I do agree with Algale that there should be a safety standard for table saws. It has been an observation of mine that people don't like to read instruction manuals or follow safety procedures. That being said, I also believe that safety begins at home (or the workshop). I am responsible for safety in my workshop, not Shopsmith or anyone else.
BPR

No body because Gass squashed Bosch who had a very different system that did the same thing and the the shyster lawyers convinced an unknowing judge to render a wrong decision.

You know what? If you don't want to know the safety instructions for the product you are using then you deserve what you get. It is not Big Brothers responsibility to keep you safe from every stupid thing you might do.

[jsburger]

Perhaps if the manuals did not have pageS of marginally applicable or simply not relevant at all 'stuff', users would read the relevant safety warnings.

Absolutely, but these companies have to protect them selves from people that just want a pay day by doing a big law suit with a shyster lawyer to make a buck when it was their fault in the first place.

The problem is you can't get a fair jury because they all want a big pay day also if they were in the same situation. I was on a jury for a murder trial. It is amassing how people think.

[Ed in Tampa]

Perhaps if the manuals did not have pageS of marginally applicable or simply not relevant at all 'stuff', users would read the relevant safety warnings.

Absolutely, but these companies have to protect them selves from people that just want a pay day by doing a big law suit with a shyster lawyer to make a buck when it was their fault in the first place.

The problem is you can't get a fair jury because they all want a big pay day also if they were in the same situation. I was on a jury for a murder trial. It is amassing how people think.

You nailed it when you said PAY DAY and SHYSTER LAWYERS. The court system needs to be reformed. Cases where people are frivolously suing should never make it into the court room.
But that requires lawyers with integrity and a high percentage of today's lawyers have none.

Everyone wants the fast buck and unfortunately if you are the village idiot the only way to the fast buck in most cases is by suing someone. I know people that live almost entirely off of what they make suing people. I would never leave one of them or their faumily in my car or even near it when it is moving. That kind of thing has to be stopped! As does the actions of people like Gass.

[dusty]

I will never understand why it is that as soon as the word "lawyer" comes into a conversation - SOMEONE will have nasty things to say.

The world is rapidly becoming populated by people who want the fast and easy dollar. These people are not the lawyers. The lawyers are simply there to provide the services required.

I hope that those of you that think of lawyers as shysters NEVER, NEVER need a good lawyer.

Now, a good example of a shyster is someone who wants a dollar share for every new table saw that might be sold at anytime into the future.

[Ed in Tampa]

I hope that those of you that think of lawyers as shysters NEVER, NEVER need a good lawyer.

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Dusty that is an oxymoron.
We have the TV on this morning every advertisement break has had at least one and in many cases two lawyer cases. One brags they just got a guy $200,000 settlement. The other brags that he is a bull dog and won't let go until makes the person regret what happened to their client. Another is fighting for legalized drugs. Another says if you are in an accident and even if you do not have pain now you should sue because you may have pain in the future. Another complains that they aren't allowed to say the defendant has insurance, but in fact most do so you aren't hurting the person you getting your money back from the "big" insurance companies.

This situation with Sawstop is excellent example of what is the true motivation behind this push.
Is it Saw safety? No not really, if it were you would not block others attempts to Saw safety.

[BuckeyeDennis]

I hope that those of you that think of lawyers as shysters NEVER, NEVER need a good lawyer.

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Dusty that is an oxymoron.
We have the TV on this morning every advertisement break has had at least one and in many cases two lawyer cases. One brags they just got a guy $200,000 settlement. The other brags that he is a bull dog and won't let go until makes the person regret what happened to their client. Another is fighting for legalized drugs. Another says if you are in an accident and even if you do not have pain now you should sue because you may have pain in the future. Another complains that they aren't allowed to say the defendant has insurance, but in fact most do so you aren't hurting the person you getting your money back from the "big" insurance companies.

This situation with Sawstop is excellent example of what is the true motivation behind this push.
Is it Saw safety? No not really, if it were you would not block others attempts to Saw safety.

You're casting a mighty wide net there, Ed. While "shysters" certainly do exist, and are definitely over-represented on the airwaves, I believe them to be the exception rather than the rule.

I've worked with a fair number of lawyers during my business career, and in dealing with my parents' estates. Without fail, they were upstanding, ethical, and helpful. Their sound advice may well be the reason that I've never had to deal with the "other" kind of lawyer. My most recent contact with a lawyer was at my son's Eagle Scout review meeting last week -- he is an assistant scoutmaster, who gives unselfishly of his time to help develop fine young men.

Does the existence of a few sleazy televangelists mean that all preachers are self-serving hypocrites?

[Ed in Tampa]

My really concern is not Gass or his methods or agenda.
I am really concerned with hobbiest woodworking and the sharply rising cost for equipment.

I was just at my favorite news stand and I sadly report there was no woodworking magazines.
All our local high schools have shut down industrial arts classes.
Neither Home Depot or Lowes have a table Saw on display.
Sears tool departments are half the size they once were.
I have tried to give some spare tools to my Grandsons, they say no thanks, that they have no use for them.
I look at manufacture web sites and many have completely abandoned hobbiest woodworking.

I know many things factor into this situation but the increase cost to install Saw safety technology is driving some manufactures out of the business and consumers out of the hobby.

Go into any production shop in our area and you will not see a tablesaw that was once there 20 years ago. Between insurance, OSHA, MSAI and other obstacles they have abandoned table saws. Again I understand other factors are effecting this (CNC and such) but if it keeps up it would not surprise me if it becomes impossible to buy a new tablesaw ten years into future.

This will not be good for Shopsmith or hobbiest woodworking!