There is no rotating thrust load on the hand crank to raise the table, just a radial one as it rotates. The part numbers are identical through the years 1953 - to current. If you over tighten the lock, and the clip does not fit correctly or is thin, you might push it off.
Item 168 504259 Washer for model 505-510-520 and Mark 7
Item 164 504259 Washer for model 500
I spoke to Shopsmith who agree that the description washer on both was a hold over from the 1950's. Clearly it is not a washer. Mine are thick E-Clip Style Clips. At some point they may have been C-Clips.
They agreed to look into making a clarification in the parts description. I asked them to also consider putting size specifications in with it as it likely is locally available in many places.
I think E-Clip is somewhat of a misnomer, I think it truly is a E-Style External Retaining Ring.
Everett
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So after scouring local hardware shops, one auto shop (meineke), and and auto store (oreily) I still haven’t found an eclip that is thick enough or even a retaining ring.
Here’s the kicker.....I ordered the part from shop smith and they sent me a normal washer and not even one that remotely could ever fit or retain anything on a model 500 carriage, part 164. I made sure to explain the situation to shopsmith ande sent two emails and two phone calls and STILL don’t see any end in sight. They said they’re gonna look over the pictures (mind you about 10-15 I sent them) and they’ll get back to me, but I’m going to call them tomorrow after work and see what they came up with.
I’ve already decided I’m gonna weld the washer to the shaft and make sure it can never back out. My only other options are to get a machine shop to thread another piece of threaded rod and then I’ll be able to put a lock washer and locknut on it. Or....
To drill a hole thru the square stock and cram a nail into it so it doesn’t pull back.
At this point I’m aggravated and frustrated, and the lack of communication between shopsmith has been one of the biggest disappointments of any business I’ve ever dealt with. I’ve sent countless emails only for them to be ignored. Bought the retaining washer and they sent me just a normal one. Bought the three handle drill press handle and got refunded with not so much as an email explaining why, but when I look at that order it’s still being processed. No idea what’s going on there.
Anyway.....I want to thank all of you for the helpful ideas you’ve given me, and will continue to monitor this thread periodically and update any of you guys as to what happens. At the moment it appears that I’m gonna have to have the washer welded to the stock.
19manofgod92 wrote:So after scouring local hardware shops, one auto shop (meineke), and and auto store (oreily) I still haven’t found an eclip that is thick enough or even a retaining ring.
Here’s the kicker.....I ordered the part from shop smith and they sent me a normal washer and not even one that remotely could ever fit or retain anything on a model 500 carriage, part 164. I made sure to explain the situation to shopsmith ande sent two emails and two phone calls and STILL don’t see any end in sight. They said they’re gonna look over the pictures (mind you about 10-15 I sent them) and they’ll get back to me, but I’m going to call them tomorrow after work and see what they came up with.
I’ve already decided I’m gonna weld the washer to the shaft and make sure it can never back out. My only other options are to get a machine shop to thread another piece of threaded rod and then I’ll be able to put a lock washer and locknut on it. Or....
To drill a hole thru the square stock and cram a nail into it so it doesn’t pull back.
At this point I’m aggravated and frustrated, and the lack of communication between shopsmith has been one of the biggest disappointments of any business I’ve ever dealt with. I’ve sent countless emails only for them to be ignored. Bought the retaining washer and they sent me just a normal one. Bought the three handle drill press handle and got refunded with not so much as an email explaining why, but when I look at that order it’s still being processed. No idea what’s going on there.
Anyway.....I want to thank all of you for the helpful ideas you’ve given me, and will continue to monitor this thread periodically and update any of you guys as to what happens. At the moment it appears that I’m gonna have to have the washer welded to the stock.
PLEASE do not weld a washer to that shaft!
I suggest instead you drill and tap a hole in the end, then use a stud, two washers over the entire shaft(to get the inner one positioned over the groove), a third washer with a clearance hole for the stud and two jam nuts.
That allows reverting back to using the original clip.
I hate non-reversible modifications.
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I hope to be going to my storage area tomorrow and I will see if I happen to have a spare or at least pull one of mine apart to get a measurement then check my bins for something that would fit.
Perhaps someone here has one and would be willing to part with it??? If I have one I'd just mail it to you for free.
I am a bit concerned over how much force is being applied to the handle. You do not need to use gorilla force. It it is not staying put with just a reasonable force there may be other things wrong and need repair..... Using more force is not often a solution on a shopsmith.
Ed
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It would be far better not to weld on a fender washer, but I can understand frustration when I hear it.
One other option might be to drill a hole in the center of the groove and insert a pressure fit roll pin, that had a washer between it and the pinion.
Another option, though more expenisive might be to use a Square Bore Shaft Collar, if the shaft size and outside diameter will allow it.
I say that as I believe the original retainer goes into the rear carriage pinion and it would have to fit inside the space, or be filled with some washers that did if it had to be outboard. Then the length of the threading etc on the front comes into play.
The roll pin would be functional, cheap, and serviceable.
19manofgod92 wrote:So after scouring local hardware shops, one auto shop (meineke), and and auto store (oreily) I still haven’t found an eclip that is thick enough or even a retaining ring.
Here’s the kicker.....I ordered the part from shop smith and they sent me a normal washer and not even one that remotely could ever fit or retain anything on a model 500 carriage, part 164. I made sure to explain the situation to shopsmith ande sent two emails and two phone calls and STILL don’t see any end in sight. They said they’re gonna look over the pictures (mind you about 10-15 I sent them) and they’ll get back to me, but I’m going to call them tomorrow after work and see what they came up with.
I’ve already decided I’m gonna weld the washer to the shaft and make sure it can never back out. My only other options are to get a machine shop to thread another piece of threaded rod and then I’ll be able to put a lock washer and locknut on it. Or....
To drill a hole thru the square stock and cram a nail into it so it doesn’t pull back.
At this point I’m aggravated and frustrated, and the lack of communication between shopsmith has been one of the biggest disappointments of any business I’ve ever dealt with. I’ve sent countless emails only for them to be ignored. Bought the retaining washer and they sent me just a normal one. Bought the three handle drill press handle and got refunded with not so much as an email explaining why, but when I look at that order it’s still being processed. No idea what’s going on there.
Anyway.....I want to thank all of you for the helpful ideas you’ve given me, and will continue to monitor this thread periodically and update any of you guys as to what happens. At the moment it appears that I’m gonna have to have the washer welded to the stock.
Shopsmith does not charge your card until an item is available to ship. I suspect your card was charged by mistake since the item is still on back order. They refunded your money and will recharge your card when the item becomes available to ship.
John & Mary Burger
Eagle's Lair Woodshop
Hooper, UT
I'm having the same problem with my shopsmith. When I tightened the table I heard something fall off and it no longer would stay locked at the height I wanted. I still have the E ring and it's bent. I'm wondering if the prior owner had repaired it himself because a thick washer fell off when the ring bent. it's not pictured in the diagram. from shopsmith and I'm wondering if it was added.
Here is the clip on the square rod for the 500 carriage. Note the clip is the thickness of the machined space in the square rod.
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Here is the clip off the square rod for the 500 carriage. It is a heavy duty "C" style clip.
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The clip goes directly against the Pinion Gear on the back side of the carriage - no washer. It is the same for the 505/510/520/M7 carriage except a longer square rod, different pinion gears and wheel assembly instead of a handle assembly. Hope this clears up what part is needed.
Russ
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Follow up to the "C" clip information I posted above. I was at one of our larger hardware stores in the area for some other parts but looked for this "C" clip while I was there. They have four rows each around 50' long of nuts, bolts, screws, clips, this and that... well you get the idea. They have a large selection but not a thick enough "C" clip for this use. All their "C" and "E" clips are the common thinner ones. Shopsmith may have these specially made or they have to come from a specialty supplier.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
Looking at this clip I wonder if the old description "Washer" was accurate as it looks like one could be fabricated by cutting the side out of a washer.
Since the end of the shaft is recessed in the carriage housing, I would bet a thick fender washer could be made to work as it would be captive in the recess.
I wonder if that's what they did back in the day and just ground away a side of a fender washer if they didn't have the right C-clip. I am always curious how the part name like "Washer" came into being in their parts list in the first place.
