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Re: Improved Source of Information
FWIW:
My Goldie SN 377425 produced by Magna American is a poly-v drive with 1 hp dual voltage motor. At the time it was produced(1963) a 1 1/8 hp 115v motor was standard.
AIUI the two screw belt cover originated with the "B" headstock. There were belt covers that had 8 screws.
Also the "B" headstock introduced tinnerman nuts replacing tapped holes in the belt cover as well as the 5 motor pan retaining screws.
Another change in the 510 tables was the early rails that mounted with torx screws into tapped holes in the table front and rear edges that were accessible through holes in the front of the rails. The id of the rails was slightly smaller then. I think 86 is accurate.
My Goldie SN 377425 produced by Magna American is a poly-v drive with 1 hp dual voltage motor. At the time it was produced(1963) a 1 1/8 hp 115v motor was standard.
AIUI the two screw belt cover originated with the "B" headstock. There were belt covers that had 8 screws.
Also the "B" headstock introduced tinnerman nuts replacing tapped holes in the belt cover as well as the 5 motor pan retaining screws.
Another change in the 510 tables was the early rails that mounted with torx screws into tapped holes in the table front and rear edges that were accessible through holes in the front of the rails. The id of the rails was slightly smaller then. I think 86 is accurate.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
- chapmanruss
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Re: Improved Source of Information
JPG wrote,
JPG also wrote,
The two Greenies I have restored were both early "B" headstocks and have 6 screws for the belt cover. "A" headstocks without the rear access hole and high speed lock ended in October 1955. JPG which belt covers had 8 screws. The "B" headstock and it's internal parts have had the most changes over the years.AIUI the two screw belt cover originated with the "B" headstock. There were belt covers that had 8 screws.
JPG also wrote,
That must be the change in 1986 that makes the difference between which 510 to 520 upgrade is needed. I wondered why the early 510 fence tubes had holes in the front side of them since I have not had a 510 before. Thanks, JPGAnother change in the 510 tables was the early rails that mounted with torx screws into tapped holes in the table front and rear edges that were accessible through holes in the front of the rails. The id of the rails was slightly smaller then. I think 86 is accurate.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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The "A" greenie headstock casting, belt cover and motor pan were e-bay purchases and I know nothing re their history(no vent plate/SN). The casting has the rectangular speed control hole and no access hole.
The 8 belt cover screws are one top, one bottom(motor pan), the usual two near the 'bump' two more at the casting motor pan juncture(very close to the typical motor pan screws) and 2 more low on the motor pan(the extra 2).
It is destined to be a Power Pro headstock(sigh some day!!!).
The 8 belt cover screws are one top, one bottom(motor pan), the usual two near the 'bump' two more at the casting motor pan juncture(very close to the typical motor pan screws) and 2 more low on the motor pan(the extra 2).
It is destined to be a Power Pro headstock(sigh some day!!!).
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Just 're'discovered this regarding the 'second slot'.
It defines the time period they were made. 53 - 80
It defines the time period they were made. 53 - 80
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- chapmanruss
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Re: Improved Source of Information
JPG,
Thanks for making the notice available. I understand why you thought they always had the extra table slot. Almost all of the "Greenies" I have seen or seen pictures of did not have the extra slot, but some, in pictures, I could not tell for sure. Maybe another case of Shopsmith Inc. not knowing the Mark 5 history since the notice is dated 1/80 and calling them Mark V which is the same time period the name changed on the machines Serial Number/vent plate from Mark 5 to Mark V.
AS for the 8 screw holes
Thanks for making the notice available. I understand why you thought they always had the extra table slot. Almost all of the "Greenies" I have seen or seen pictures of did not have the extra slot, but some, in pictures, I could not tell for sure. Maybe another case of Shopsmith Inc. not knowing the Mark 5 history since the notice is dated 1/80 and calling them Mark V which is the same time period the name changed on the machines Serial Number/vent plate from Mark 5 to Mark V.
AS for the 8 screw holes
Below is a picture of one of the two "Geenie's" headstock that I restored. Note the screw hole locations circled in red. Sorry the lower one does not have the screw in it yet and of course we can't see the bottom one.The 8 belt cover screws are one top, one bottom(motor pan), the usual two near the 'bump' two more at the casting motor pan juncture(very close to the typical motor pan screws) and 2 more low on the motor pan(the extra 2).
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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The other two(one on each side).
I have to assume someone decided they were unnecessary.
They all appear to be 'original'.
Again history/vintage unknown.
They all appear to be 'original'.
Again history/vintage unknown.
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
- chapmanruss
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It does all look original. Maybe one of the first Mark 5's produced.
Russ
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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I located a news clip through the Mississippi Department of Archives and History where WLBT Newsfilm collection captures the Raymond, Miss. Dedication ceremony for Magna-American Corp. November 15, 1966.
This timeline helps define the transition of the plant to Raymond, Mississippi by Magna American which was the beginning of the end of manufacturing for that era of Shopsmith. I have more on this time line, but will defer that to the upcoming book.
Copies of the media can be ordered from them should anyone have an interest. I did not pursue it.
Everett
http://www.mdah.ms.gov/arrec/digital_ar ... etail/3308
This clip may be ordered below or viewed in the Media Room at MDAH.
Magna-American Corp.
Raymond, Miss. Dedication ceremony for Magna-American Corp. Additional: Industry
11/15/66
Reel F2358 LCN 3308
This timeline helps define the transition of the plant to Raymond, Mississippi by Magna American which was the beginning of the end of manufacturing for that era of Shopsmith. I have more on this time line, but will defer that to the upcoming book.
Copies of the media can be ordered from them should anyone have an interest. I did not pursue it.
Everett
http://www.mdah.ms.gov/arrec/digital_ar ... etail/3308
This clip may be ordered below or viewed in the Media Room at MDAH.
Magna-American Corp.
Raymond, Miss. Dedication ceremony for Magna-American Corp. Additional: Industry
11/15/66
Reel F2358 LCN 3308
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I believe that's where John Folkerth went to in 1971 to find the casting dies.
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- JPG
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I believe that is where he went to obtain rights to make and sell sawsmith blades and 'found it all'!
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange