Drill press won't go high enough for lock to work

[jsburger]

And the title of the thread is certainly misleading as we saw a picture of the lock locked.

Could this be a catfish post?

Ed

I certainly think so. If the hinge is fully opened and the lock is locked how could the drill press not be vertical? Even if it is not perfectly vertical (based on a level) as long as the head stock is square with the table??? Some have mentioned tubes being reversed or the wrong length. Huh? What does that have to do with the machine going vertical? My shorty certainly goes vertical into drill press mode. The only thing wrong tube lengths (3/4" difference) will effect is the pony tail lock down.

Since the OP has not responded, I suggest this was a fishing expedition and the OP is sitting back laughing. Some people really need to get a life. If one gets pleasure from this they really need help and they are not someone I want to associate with.

[algale]

Give me a break. Nobody would bother with this site with such a specific question. No money to be had. Nothing to be gained. The guy may have fixed the problem on his own or got turned off to the site and its paranoia or both. But just because they aren't checking back in doesn't mean the original post wasn't legit.

[jsburger]

Give me a break. Nobody would bother with this site with such a specific question. No money to be had. Nothing to be gained. The guy may have fixed the problem on his own or got turned off to the site and its paranoia or both. But just because they aren't checking back in doesn't mean the original post wasn't legit.

Huh??? Trying to help and understanding the problem with no response from the OP is paranoia? Nobody has done anything but try to understand the OP's problem until Ed made his comment and I made mine, I agree with Ed. All responders have asked for more pictures and more information. Nothing has come forward.

[everettdavis]

OP is retired Law Enforcement and this is the Holiday Season where people frequently travel. I imagine he is just busy.

I reached out to him privately and offered to assist. No one knows the details of what life responsibilities he may have going on.

A little charity and patience are in order.

Everett

[algale]

Huh??? Trying to help and understanding the problem with no response from the OP is paranoia? Nobody has done anything but try to understand the OP's problem until Ed made his comment and I made mine, I agree with Ed. All responders have asked for more pictures and more information. Nothing has come forward.

No response from the OP? Re-read the thread. There are several responses from the OP.

For no reason I can discern, this post has caused a bunch of long time members whose opinions I generally very much respect to behave like they are paranoid! There's several suggestions in this thread from long time members that there's something wrong because the OP isn't responding or isn't responding quickly enough or claims that the photos the OP submitted don't look right (I still haven't figured that one out), which led to a suggestion that the OP is catfishing us and another member agreeing with that. Seems borderline delusional to me.

[algale]

OP is retired Law Enforcement and this is the Holiday Season where people frequently travel. I imagine he is just busy.

I reached out to him privately and offered to assist. No one knows the details of what life responsibilities he may have going on.

A little charity and patience are in order.

Everett

Amen.

[JPG]

And the title of the thread is certainly misleading as we saw a picture of the lock locked.

Could this be a catfish post?

Ed

I certainly think so. If the hinge is fully opened and the lock is locked how could the drill press not be vertical? Even if it is not perfectly vertical (based on a level) as long as the head stock is square with the table??? Some have mentioned tubes being reversed or the wrong length. Huh? What does that have to do with the machine going vertical? My shorty certainly goes vertical into drill press mode. The only thing wrong tube lengths (3/4" difference) will effect is the pony tail lock down.

Since the OP has not responded, I suggest this was a fishing expedition and the OP is sitting back laughing. Some people really need to get a life. If one gets pleasure from this they really need help and they are not someone I want to associate with.

If the base castings are skewed due to incorrect alignment(cocked in bore due to insufficient insertion depth) with the bench tubes, the vertical stop can occur prior to full vertical. Now 20° seems gross but that is what Sconi said.

Realize this be an exercise in mind bending so as to possibly deduce how the problem exists.

As for lack of response lately we simply do not know why.

Now where is this paranoia occurring? Being suspicious exhibits paranoia? I think not!

Regardless of any of this or future events relating to this thread we have been on a journey requiring deductive reasoning and thought processes that cannot but help stave off dementia etc.. I for one welcome the opportunity to think regardless of the correctness of that process or the lack of any fruits acquired.

Hopefully Sconi will appear in the near future. This thread has gone as far as we can take it without feedback from him. Especially pix#4.

[everettdavis]

We have been here before.... perhaps several times

Re: Drill press not at 90 degrees #238401 by dusty Tue Aug 29, 2017 5:13 am

https://shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewtopi ... 01#p238401

The key points are that in this case, it is an older Shopsmith and in the 2017 post, a 520.

They fixed theirs. Theirs was not double tilt... This one is... meaning new tilt bases have been installed. We know that the drill press position is off based on the post. We do not know it is off in both tilt directions as if in Under Table Routing/Shaping, just in drill press.

The problem in today's thread existed prior to the upgrade, then remained afterward.

Dusty wrote then: However, the relationship between the Bench Tubes and the Way Tubes, when in the drill press mode, should not be an exact 90°. It is designed to have a slight tilt beyond 90°.

The OP then wrote:

Thanks Dusty. The pictures tell the tail.

My SS is back to 90 degrees. The lower tubes were loose from all the moves I've made in the last few years The mechanical stops were worn down quite a bit from all the movement. They still had enough bite to line up properly after I tightened them down. I raised the bars after I flipped it over and it's just passed 90 degrees. SUCCESS. Now I just need to put the thing back together. I took the motor and shelf off so it would be easier to work with. I'm over 71 and have back problems so it is easier to lighten the load when I am working with heavy stuff on the floor.

Just an observation. If you are moving your SS any great distance it might be a good idea to take the legs off to prevent damage to the mechanical stops (if yours has them) on your SS. I think all the moves I made messed up my mechanical stops.

Riddle me this. What if the tubes in the original system that were off, were marked at the point of insertion that exisited (say with a piece of tape), then were inserted into the same depth in the dual tilt components. If, as described above, that problem pre-existed then was marked and reinserted to the same insertion depth, that would (or should) sustain the problem in the new parts.

There are pictures in post https://shopsmith.com/ss_forum/viewtopi ... 88#p238388

It was the bench tubes on the tilt end on the 520.

Everett

[algale]

In my opinion, the theory that the bench tubes aren't inserted far enough, by itself, doesn't explain what the OP is seeing.

You could over insert or under insert the bench tubes into the castings and not get what the OP is seeing unless the clamps that hold the bench tubes in place also have not been adequately tightened.

Inadequate clamping pressure on the bench tubes, even if the tubes have been inserted the proper amount, surely would permit the legs to cant "outward" with the result that when the Shopsmith is raised to the limit permitted by the casting, the Shopsmith will still lean "backwards" as opposed to getting a couple of degrees "forward" past true vertical as the design is intended.

That's my final $0.02 until the OP has a chance to give us more information.

[JPG]

Dusty's pix in the thread linked to above provides a possible clue.

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IF the bench tube is inserted too far(yeah that is different from what has been mentioned before here) it will ride up onto the rib that is meant to serve as a stop. That would create the splayed angle.

The pix also reveals that insufficient insertion is unlikely to cause the splaying since there is no where for the tube to move out of 'horizontal' other than being short of the inner rib the tube 'sets' on and that would cause the leg etc. to splay the opposite direction(inward).

I believe this can explain the original problem. I would have to assume since the problem existed prior to the dual tilt upgrade that Sconi simply installed the tubes the same as they were before(incorrectly).