Pretty much leaves Hans out.everettdavis wrote:In the picture of the machine against the wall in the first post, there is a yellow plastic display panel that you can see behind and to the left of the speed changer.
Here is a photo. It had an engraved brass plate dated 1947 but the scan color isn't clear that it is brass.
It came to me with the Chrome 10ER, but it is unclear if this came to Tony as a part of the gift of it to Tony when he left, or years earlier.
It went with it to Tony's friend, then to the owner who acquired it from him. Timeline is simply unknown.
Everett
Tony Fox 1947 Shopsmith Plaque.jpeg
My latest 10ER acquisition
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That's an interesting plaque and suggests that Tony Fox designed and developed the Shopsmith not Hans Goldschmidt. Of course not knowing the history behind this plaque brings into question what exactly were they referring to for Fox's contributions to the Shopsmith.
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Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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I think Tony and others had a lot of input in setting up the manufacturing processes and tooling when it was made in the shipyards.
The patent clearly is Hans and the concept was Hans. If you look at Thomas Edison’s patents, he instructed others to develop and create his ideas for which he holds the patents.
I imagine a lot of folks were involved getting Magna off the ground in the production facilities.
I wish it stated more or there was more documentation about what they recognized him for. He clearly patented the Fox SuperShop himself and had Hans or the Chambers felt it infringed on what they developed in house with him, they would have challenged his patents. They did not.
What that says or doesn’t is unclear.
I was surprised at the wording on the plaque but we just don’t know how much his contributions were to the 10E and 10ER in those days.
Every thing they could make was selling like hot cakes.
Everett
The patent clearly is Hans and the concept was Hans. If you look at Thomas Edison’s patents, he instructed others to develop and create his ideas for which he holds the patents.
I imagine a lot of folks were involved getting Magna off the ground in the production facilities.
I wish it stated more or there was more documentation about what they recognized him for. He clearly patented the Fox SuperShop himself and had Hans or the Chambers felt it infringed on what they developed in house with him, they would have challenged his patents. They did not.
What that says or doesn’t is unclear.
I was surprised at the wording on the plaque but we just don’t know how much his contributions were to the 10E and 10ER in those days.
Every thing they could make was selling like hot cakes.
Everett
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Upon further inspection it had holes in legs for what I presume was threaded casters at some point. Realizing that, I likely will install a set of those. I just need it to be moveable and not planning on producing anything with it, just restore and preserve it.chapmanruss wrote:Everett,
Are you sure you want to upgrade the retractable casters to 3" instead of keeping them original? Changing the casters will require drilling new holes. Does this Chrome 10ER have a Serial Number? Do you now know if it the same one Bob Chambers is standing next to in the picture? Remember it does not require cutting, turning or drilling to "exercise" the moving parts. Just turn it on once in a while.
I wonder if any of those crates contain one of the original Model 10E's. If not I may have to add my 10E to the museum if they ever start one.
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Everett
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Upon further inspection it had holes in legs for what I presume was threaded casters at some point. Realizing that, I likely will install a set of those. I just need it to be moveable and not planning on producing anything with it, just restore and preserve it.chapmanruss wrote:Everett,
Are you sure you want to upgrade the retractable casters to 3" instead of keeping them original? Changing the casters will require drilling new holes. Does this Chrome 10ER have a Serial Number? Do you now know if it the same one Bob Chambers is standing next to in the picture? Remember it does not require cutting, turning or drilling to "exercise" the moving parts. Just turn it on once in a while.
I wonder if any of those crates contain one of the original Model 10E's. If not I may have to add my 10E to the museum if they ever start one.
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Everett