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Like my shop, this is a place I come that gives me a brief respite from the 24/7 firehose of contentious noise and news and work.
This is a place I come to learn and grow in an area that I can control the outcomes.
Those places are becoming harder to find these days.
They are worth protecting.
I don't care what religion, political affiliation or national organizations you prescribe to...but if you want to discuss them, by all means discuss them in an intelligent manner supported by facts , experience and history. Do your "deeply" held beliefs the honor of you yourself having thought deeply about them first.
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Going Political
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Re: Going Political
How you say it determines what it means. How it is said cannot be determined in what is written unless -
Consider these, the same words in the same order but with a different meaning:
I didn't say he beat his wife.
i DIDN'T say he beat his wife.
i didn't SAY he beat his wife.
i didn't say HE beat his wife.
i didn't say he BEAT his wife.
i didn't say he beat HIS wife.
i didn't say he beat his WIFE.
Consider these, the same words in the same order but with a different meaning:
I didn't say he beat his wife.
i DIDN'T say he beat his wife.
i didn't SAY he beat his wife.
i didn't say HE beat his wife.
i didn't say he BEAT his wife.
i didn't say he beat HIS wife.
i didn't say he beat his WIFE.
Re: Going Political
Good one. You reminded me of a fun little book on your subject:algale wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:59 pm
To use a well-known example, there's an important difference between the sentences "Let's eat Grandma," and "Let's eat, Grandma."
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Model 10ER (1952), s/n: 72883 (MickyD restored in 2009/10) / Variable Speed Changer / A-34 Jigsaw / Jointer-Shaper Fence
Mark 5 Model 500 (1955), s/n: 309828 (MickyD restored in 2008/09) / Magna Jigsaw Model 610, s/n 65001 / Yuba 11” Bandsaw Model 630, s/n 39807 / Magna Jointer Model 620, s/n 17792 (restored in 2021) / Magna 6” Belt Sander Model 640, s/n 13742 (to be restored)
Professional Planer Model M5082, s/n 003918
DC3300 Dust Collector (circa 1998)
Re: Going Political
My FAVORITE saying of all time! Words matter, but punctuation SAVES LIVES!algale wrote: Tue Nov 02, 2021 1:59 pm To use a well-known example, there's an important difference between the sentences "Let's eat Grandma," and "Let's eat, Grandma."
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Re: Going Political
You just well described the fallacy in consensual thinking. 
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Re: Going Political
I've been away a couple of day. What exactly do you mean by "consensual thinking?" Thinking by consent?
I was referring to the consensus about the meaning of a word, standard grammar and punctuation. Without those, it is extremely difficult to understand others or to be understood by others.
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Re: Going Political
Making decisions based on the herd understanding that may be of dubious accuracy.
Yes I was playing with the word consensus.
I realized the possible dual meaning after I posted it.
As an outlier I often scoff at some widely held misconceptions.(maybe I am the one with misconceptions?) I think the press is the reason much is misconstrued today. Going forward the internet will take over that task. Lord help us all! ;>}
Yes I was playing with the word consensus.
I realized the possible dual meaning after I posted it.
As an outlier I often scoff at some widely held misconceptions.(maybe I am the one with misconceptions?) I think the press is the reason much is misconstrued today. Going forward the internet will take over that task. Lord help us all! ;>}
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange
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Goldie(Bought New SN 377425)/4" jointer/6" beltsander/12" planer/stripsander/bandsaw/powerstation /Scroll saw/Jig saw /Craftsman 10" ras/Craftsman 6" thicknessplaner/ Dayton10"tablesaw(restoredfromneighborstrashpile)/ Mark VII restoration in 'progress'/ 10E[/size](SN E3779) restoration in progress, a 510 on the back burner and a growing pile of items to be eventually returned to useful life. - aka Red Grange