I sure didn't expect to create such a fuss, though I suspect Ed's "tongue-in-cheek" remark helped heat things up. But a little humour should be a good thing, no? I certainly didn't think that the thread would go off in the direction that it did.
My only intent on mentioning the potential safety issue with milk paint was to give a different perspective on the subject of safe finishes. This was especially illuminating for me as I have often thought of using milk paint on some of my toys or small craft projects without the light bulb ever going off. We have spent many years trying to protect the kids from food and cosmetics, etc that might contain milk products, but never a thought to how this aspect of my hobby might affect them.
Thanks for the tip on the milk paint. I will have to read the MSDS to find out what our beloved safety regulators have to say about the product with regard to lactose intolerance and such..
As for the rest of the thread: AMAN! I recently watched an over protective yet somewhat ignorant couple remove a new 8x8 landscape timber retaining wall because they read some article about the carcinogenic affects of formaldehyde and creosote, and were sure that they were treated with one or the other. When asked, they told me that the manufacturers should use a safer chemical to treat with. Maybe they were thinking milk paint. They replaced the good and necessary timber wall with a crumbly, poorly constructed, rock wall set with minimal setback in two vertical three foot high runs. The rocks were glued together with a landscape adhesive known to the state of California to cause birth defects and cancer. Known to most to be a poor substitute for mortar in this situation. So 5k for the tie wall and 5k for the rock wall later, the ignorant "goody two shoes” felt they were protecting themselves and their children from a more or less imaginary fear and now their children play under a rock wall that is just as remotely toxic and much more likely to collapse on top of them.
Whatever they fear, I fear their fear, for their hindering and often counter productive actions and legislation are born of this.
So how does milk paint hold up? I often use water based acrilics that are labeled nontoxic. Are these safe?
It's time to move this thread to the Community forum. It's a good discussion in the wrong area. We could start a really good one on the socialization of America.
Bruce wrote:It's time to move this thread to the Community forum. It's a good discussion in the wrong area. We could start a really good one on the socialization of America.
Lettuce NO go thar!:D
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Today the interviews the Mythic paint display. Mythic Paint is non toxic both before and after application. It is said to contain no cancer causing agents and is totally safe for children tool apps.
Check it out.
John,
thank you very much for the post. it made me think and pointed out that I had gotten less attentive to some of the "safe" claims than I want to be. after today's work day, you accomplished something that I didn't think possible.
much obliged.
reible wrote:I've also heard of people with latex intolerance, would latex paint be a danger to them???
Ed,
a former cow-orkers wife has the latex sensitivity severely enough that she can no longer perform most of the duties of her career - she is a nurse. she likely got sensitized by the latex dust/powder used to lubricate surgical/medical gloves. she can no longer go into any area of the hospital where powdered gloves are used (or any area downwind in the HVAC system). she cannot safely go into Sam's Club because the tires are racked next to the entrance. they have extreme difficulties buying new cars because of the latex plasticizers used in the seats and the dashboards (the stuff that leads to the white coatings on the inside of windshields). she can be around latex paint once it is well and truly dry. that level of dryness may take an application of heat in our humid climate unless one wants to wait a long time.
in terms of oils, I would never use a peanut oil finish on anything. one of my friends has the peanut sensitivity and has barely survived a few shock events. one of the worst (and most surprising that I heard about) was at a biker rally from eating donuts. it turned out that the closest donut shop to the rally had switched to frying the donuts in peanut oil because it was healthier for people.
Ivan
Mark V (84) w/ jigsaw, belt sander, strip sander
ER10 awaiting restoration
Thanks for your support. I believe the claims of safe finishes by the manufacturers are generally correct and I don't normally worry about them, but as I attempted to point out there are exceptions in the population and they can be difficult to pick up on, even for someone like me who has experience with an allergy.
Peanut allergy seems to be the one most people are aware of but as you mentioned latex allergy is another that has become more advertised lately. My daughter is a nurse with that allergy so when she was praticing had to wear non-latex gloves purchased especially for her as the problem was not as well recognized then.
One of the problems with a milk (protein) allergy is that people usually mistake it with lactose intollerance so it gets downplayed when you mention it with respect to ingredients in food. Believe me people, it is not the same.
I can sympathize with your story about the doughnuts. One of the "safe" restaurant foods the kids could eat was Sushi. Just this past summer my granddaughter went to her favourite Sushi resturant and ended up in the hospital. It seems, that for some reason, the restaurant decided to add a cheese product to the Sushi. Strike one more eatery from the list of "safe houses".
All this to say as woodworkers we must be vigilant in the finishes and products we use, and as knowledgable as possible about end users and uses for which our projects are intended.
iclark wrote:John,
thank you very much for the post. it made me think and pointed out that I had gotten less attentive to some of the "safe" claims than I want to be. after today's work day, you accomplished something that I didn't think possible.
much obliged.
Ed,
a former cow-orkers wife has the latex sensitivity severely enough that she can no longer perform most of the duties of her career - she is a nurse. she likely got sensitized by the latex dust/powder used to lubricate surgical/medical gloves. she can no longer go into any area of the hospital where powdered gloves are used (or any area downwind in the HVAC system). she cannot safely go into Sam's Club because the tires are racked next to the entrance. they have extreme difficulties buying new cars because of the latex plasticizers used in the seats and the dashboards (the stuff that leads to the white coatings on the inside of windshields). she can be around latex paint once it is well and truly dry. that level of dryness may take an application of heat in our humid climate unless one wants to wait a long time.
in terms of oils, I would never use a peanut oil finish on anything. one of my friends has the peanut sensitivity and has barely survived a few shock events. one of the worst (and most surprising that I heard about) was at a biker rally from eating donuts. it turned out that the closest donut shop to the rally had switched to frying the donuts in peanut oil because it was healthier for people.
Ivan
Ivan
I'm not sure the Mystic paint is latex. If you listen to the video the guy from Woodworker journal says latex but the demo'er kind of hesitated and then stumbling said it is water based. I don't know if it is latex or not. Before anyone writes this paint off as latex I think they need further research.
I was very interested in the Mythic paint blog. Always like new and better. Reduced paint odor, fast dry time, all good. But using the word paint is like call a four wheeled vehicle a car...there is very little description. If anyone uses this product I'd love to hear how it covers, absorbs into the wood, can it be thinned to show grain. Like I said, lots of questions. Oh, does it come in pint cans?
First person to try it, please post.
Gary Kalyn
Kalynzoo Productions
Woodworking
Porter Ranch/Northridge
Los Angeles, CA
