I was in Lowes recently but never thought to look. Now having paid ten bucks + tax for the Minwax, it will be years until I need a new can at the rate I remember to wax my tables.
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Johnson's Paste Wax
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baysidebob
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My understanding of Johnson Paste Wax is that there are two different formulas for it. One can is marked as Original while the other is lacking the Original word. The Non Original formula lacks some of the chemical that make it as slippery as the Original. This is because of deep pocket law suits against insurance companies. The Original formula can still be sold because it has been around for many years. Johnson came up with the newer formula to satisfy the customer that was looking for a not as slippery floor. I have had my Original type for several years and recently bought another one so I won't run out, it is still being sold in stores in my area.
Bayside Bob, Calif
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I keep finding little windows on this forum, that I don't really know what they do. So sometimes I experiment. Probably shouldn't do that, I know in my shop it can get me into trouble.
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Johnson's Wax
I looked at Lowe's and they only carried Minwax, then I checked at our local Ace Hardware and they still stock it. The Minwax seems to have a lower melting temperature.
Thanks, fieryknight! That's good to know! In the summer here the Johnson's wax gets a melted fluid on top of the remaining wax. Maybe Minwax will cut that down a bit.fieryknight wrote:I looked at Lowe's and they only carried Minwax, then I checked at our local Ace Hardware and they still stock it. The Minwax seems to have a lower melting temperature.
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I would think that if the MINWAX has a LOWER melting temp that the liquid on top would get "WORSER"!:Dcharlese wrote:Thanks, fieryknight! That's good to know! In the summer here the Johnson's wax gets a melted fluid on top of the remaining wax. Maybe Minwax will cut that down a bit.
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Hi Ryan,
The difference in the waxes (modern formulas vs. older formulas) is the Original Johnson Paste Wax does not contain the hardners and other chemicals the newer waxes are required to contain.
Per OSHA instructions, the newer waxes must contain non-slip chemicals, so if it is used on the floor you won't go ice skating across it. The older formula of Johnson does not contain these chemicals/additives, which helps make the way tubes and table tops on a Shopsmith slick and allows your wood to slide easily across your tables/tool tops.
That is why Shopsmith has recommended using Johnson for so many years. Using another/newer brand made with the OSHA guidelines will cause the opposite effect and actually hold back and bind your wood while you try to slide it across the saw table and slide your headstock across the way tubes.
Johnson also does not contain silicone which some of the other waxes do. These silicones can cause problems when it comes time to applying a stain and finish to your wood project.
If you want to switch to Johnson (which I recommend you do) you will see and feel a big difference in how well your wood slides across the tables. Before applying Johnson, you will need to remove the other wax by cleaning any surfaces which you applied the other wax too by using mineral spirits. Make sure that all the mineral spirits have been dried and removed and then apply a few coats of Johnson to start with. And then apply another coat every 3-to-4 months to keep the protection up. If you use your machine alot (like I do) or you live in a humid area of the world, a monthly application is recommended.
You can still purchase the Original Johnson Paste Wax at Ace Hardware and at Lowe's in the cleaning products aisle. The can is yellow, has a red stripe across the top of the lid with the word "Original" printed in the red stripe. I don't know why Shopsmith no longer carries it. It probably has to do with marketing, but I'm sure they still recommend it if you have it.
One can will last you a long time.
Hope this advice helps all those who wanted to know more about the use of Original Johnson Paste Wax on a Shopsmith.
The difference in the waxes (modern formulas vs. older formulas) is the Original Johnson Paste Wax does not contain the hardners and other chemicals the newer waxes are required to contain.
Per OSHA instructions, the newer waxes must contain non-slip chemicals, so if it is used on the floor you won't go ice skating across it. The older formula of Johnson does not contain these chemicals/additives, which helps make the way tubes and table tops on a Shopsmith slick and allows your wood to slide easily across your tables/tool tops.
That is why Shopsmith has recommended using Johnson for so many years. Using another/newer brand made with the OSHA guidelines will cause the opposite effect and actually hold back and bind your wood while you try to slide it across the saw table and slide your headstock across the way tubes.
Johnson also does not contain silicone which some of the other waxes do. These silicones can cause problems when it comes time to applying a stain and finish to your wood project.
If you want to switch to Johnson (which I recommend you do) you will see and feel a big difference in how well your wood slides across the tables. Before applying Johnson, you will need to remove the other wax by cleaning any surfaces which you applied the other wax too by using mineral spirits. Make sure that all the mineral spirits have been dried and removed and then apply a few coats of Johnson to start with. And then apply another coat every 3-to-4 months to keep the protection up. If you use your machine alot (like I do) or you live in a humid area of the world, a monthly application is recommended.
You can still purchase the Original Johnson Paste Wax at Ace Hardware and at Lowe's in the cleaning products aisle. The can is yellow, has a red stripe across the top of the lid with the word "Original" printed in the red stripe. I don't know why Shopsmith no longer carries it. It probably has to do with marketing, but I'm sure they still recommend it if you have it.
One can will last you a long time.
Hope this advice helps all those who wanted to know more about the use of Original Johnson Paste Wax on a Shopsmith.
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Woodburner:o
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