Mark V 500 saw guard help

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Mark V 500 saw guard help

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I just picked up a Mark V 500 on craigslist. It came with a bunch of spare parts/accessories...some may solve my problem but I am not sure what I am looking for.

The serial number indicates that the saw was made in 1959.

I have the lower saw guard with the 2 1/4" round dust port. The clamp on the dust port that is supposed to mount on the quill stop but ti does not reach when the blade is held in the middle of the guard (photo 1).

Is it possible that I have a different shorter arbor that I'm supposed to use for the table saw blade?

It seems that the guard clamp should be a couple of inches to the left.
saw guard does not reach to quil stop.
saw guard does not reach to quil stop.
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These are the obvious guard parts. I know that I'm missing some. If anyone has pictures of the parts I'm missing, I may be able to find them in the three boxes of stuff I have.
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Re: Mark V 500 saw guard help

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Unusual looking guard!

Yes thee needs the much shorter saw blade arbor.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/334708363246?h ... R4jY7q67YQ

Not recommending thisun, but a pix is .....

Nice looking Greenie!

P.S. 'thisun' would cleanup nicely.(and would be vintage appropriate)[maybe]
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Re: Mark V 500 saw guard help

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Thanks. I think I have one if those in the boxes of extras. I saw the rounded end and didn't think it was for a table saw.
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Re: Mark V 500 saw guard help

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Do you have an idea what parts I would need to attach the upper guard to the lower?
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Your guard does not appear to be SS oem. As such I have no clue.

Your blade may have a 5/8" hole. Requires a different arbor.

555321
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Re: Mark V 500 saw guard help

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The lower Saw Blade Guard you have (part number 505705) is one that came out in the 1960 and I believe originally with the Mark VII. It will fit on the Mark 5 and is a much better lower guard than was available when your Mark 5 was made. It uses the Upper Saw Blade Guard part number 505627 and that upper guard also pairs with part number 505628 Lower Saw Blade Guard. A picture of that Saw Blade Guard set is below and the bracket is the same to hold the upper guard to your lower guard. Notice the difference in how the lower guard below clamps to the quill compared to yours.

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The Arbor you are using, as you already realize, is not the correct one to use for Saw Blades with the Saw Blade Guards in place. Since the Saw Blade you are using has a 5/8" arbor hole you need the 5/8" Arbor part number 555321 and if using a Shopsmith Saw Blade with the 1-1/4" arbor hole you would need 505511 (or 22 032 the same arbor pre-1964). There are similar arbors to these (555130, 555118 & 555608) but are longer and for the 510/505, 520, Mark 7 & 4 Table systems not the original or 500 table system yours should have. The two arbors you need to use can be seen in the picture below which shows most of the Arbors made for the Shopsmith tools over the years. I chose this picture so you could compare the different arbors.

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The arbor you have can be seen in the picture above and is part number 22 031. That arbor simply cannot work with that lower guard.

The Upper Saw Blade Guard you have is not a Shopsmith one so there is no hardware available to attach it to the Shopsmith Lower Saw Blade Guard you have.
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Re: Mark V 500 saw guard help

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Russ, thanks for the additional detail.

I already ordered arbors that should work with the guard and all of my 5/8" blades.

I looked around for replacement parts for the upper guard model number how showed but could not find any. That's OK - I'm not used to using an upper guard any way. Plus I may want to upgrade to the new Profence/table system which I think comes woth new guards.
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Re: Mark V 500 saw guard help

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If you upgrade to the Pro Fence Table System (aka Model 520) new from Shopsmith it will come with all the items listed on the catalog page linked below. That includes the Upper and Lower Saw Blade Guards. It does not come with the current longer 5/8" Arbor part number 555608 needed for use with the larger Table System's Lower Saw Blade Guard. The longer 5/8" Arbor P/N 555118 was replaced by P/N 555608 and both are shown in my previous post.

Instead of buying the 520 Table System upgrade you may want to consider buying a used Mark V 520 which will have the Table System you are interested in besides being a newer Mark V and having the 1-1/8 HP motor. Some older Mark V 520 Tables do not have the Direct-Reading Rip Fence Scales described in the upgrade. There was a Mark V 520 for sale near me for $1200 and included a Bandsaw, Jointer, Power Station and Dust Collector. Even $1200 for just a Mark V 520 is still cheaper than buying the upgrade to put on your Mark 5 from the 1950's and would leave extra cash in your pocket to buy any needed replacement parts.

https://www.shopsmith.com/ownersite/cat ... ofence.htm
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All SPT's & 2 Power Stations
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored. Others to be restored.
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