I LOVE that this chapter points out and shows methods of making all of these joints with only the table saw.
As we load up our shops with more and more tools to do specific jobs, it is nice to remember that these tools are not really needed to make these joints.
Remembering the front porch I built for one of my old homes, I used 4X4s and assembled with many half lap joints. The only tool I had at that time was a hand held circle saw I bought from a pawn shop.
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Not trying to compare injury (which was indeed minor) but rather referencing the information in post #5 parragraphs 2 and 3. It is just plain hard to be safe every second of everyday.
This is why they are called accidents after all.
Ed
This is why they are called accidents after all.
Ed
8iowa wrote:Reible:
Your "injury" was quite minor compared to some recently posted on Lumberjocks.
{Knight of the Shopsmith} [Hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags]
Hi Chuck,
When I was in wood shop we did most of these joints with a back saw and chisel after hand planing the ruff stock. So I guess you don't even need the table saw when it comes right down to it. And in honor of this heritage I try to do at least one project every year with just hand tools. Keeps me in some practice and the exercise is good and it seems more relaxing somehow. But it also take a long time and now a days my arms and hands get tired a lot faster so it is not as productive as good old power tools.
It makes you appreciate having a table saw. So yes hats off to the table saw and all that it can do! And yes, a lot of the joints you need are easily done with just the table saw.
I think you have made a very good point for those just getting started with there shopsmith, use it to learn about these joints and even make some of them out of scrap wood to glue up and see how to get the fit, feel and look that pleases you. Think about how the joint might work for making say a table or hey even some new back porch steps. Make some birdhouses with fancy joints... are the birds going to care??? No but it is good practice and the better you get at the simple stuff the easier the harder things will become until most of it will seem easy. Just be safe what ever you do.
Ed
When I was in wood shop we did most of these joints with a back saw and chisel after hand planing the ruff stock. So I guess you don't even need the table saw when it comes right down to it. And in honor of this heritage I try to do at least one project every year with just hand tools. Keeps me in some practice and the exercise is good and it seems more relaxing somehow. But it also take a long time and now a days my arms and hands get tired a lot faster so it is not as productive as good old power tools.
It makes you appreciate having a table saw. So yes hats off to the table saw and all that it can do! And yes, a lot of the joints you need are easily done with just the table saw.
I think you have made a very good point for those just getting started with there shopsmith, use it to learn about these joints and even make some of them out of scrap wood to glue up and see how to get the fit, feel and look that pleases you. Think about how the joint might work for making say a table or hey even some new back porch steps. Make some birdhouses with fancy joints... are the birds going to care??? No but it is good practice and the better you get at the simple stuff the easier the harder things will become until most of it will seem easy. Just be safe what ever you do.
Ed
charlese wrote:I LOVE that this chapter points out and shows methods of making all of these joints with only the table saw.
As we load up our shops with more and more tools to do specific jobs, it is nice to remember that these tools are not really needed to make these joints.
Remembering the front porch I built for one of my old homes, I used 4X4s and assembled with many half lap joints. The only tool I had at that time was a hand held circle saw I bought from a pawn shop.
{Knight of the Shopsmith} [Hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags]
I personally feel the most fun joint to make is the one called the locking corner joint (figure 3-77). This a joint I had never used up until the past 10 or 12 years and I started making them just to see how to do it. (Don't tell Chuck but I used a router table for it). Even if you never decide to use it in a project you still should make one just for the fun of it... however if you are like me you will find it is so interesting that you will look for way to use it in projects.
I personal think it should be named the "fun locking corner joint".
So I'd like to here if anyone else has "feelings" like this for any of the other joints????
Ed
I personal think it should be named the "fun locking corner joint".
So I'd like to here if anyone else has "feelings" like this for any of the other joints????
Ed
{Knight of the Shopsmith} [Hero's don't wear capes, they wear dog tags]
I wanted to repeat what Ed said here and I'd like to add (again) this is where the Shopsmith Self Study Course comes into play.reible wrote:......for those just getting started with there shopsmith, use it to learn about these joints and even make some of them out of scrap wood to glue up and see how to get the fit, feel and look that pleases you. Think about how the joint might work for making say a table or hey even some new back porch steps. Make some birdhouses with fancy joints... are the birds going to care??? No but it is good practice and the better you get at the simple stuff the easier the harder things will become until most of it will seem easy. Just be safe what ever you do.
Ed
While practicing joints with my brand new Mark V, I took out my pencil and sketched up several of these joints, then made them.
I vividly remember the difficulty I had in drawing up a half lap miter joint. This difficulty became more real, as I made a simple 4 sided frame using these joints. The hard part was making the laps on the correct side so the frame fit together with the good side out. This is where I learned to mark or label the pieces: inside, outside, and cut area. The labeling has to be done before sawing. Marking or labeling is an important step that should not be omitted.
I've never made one of those "Fun locking joints" Maybe some day!
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Chuck in Lancaster, CA
Chuck in Lancaster, CA
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Charlese is correct. I not only learned a lot by doing the course, but it is a great reference. Details like you mention slip my mind pretty quickly, so I go back to to this from time to time. I like having something to show at the end of a lesson!!
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Dave
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Hi guys,
Sorry, I am still running a bit behind in my reading. Chapter 3 is a good chapter! I have learned a few things and been reminded of a few others (some frome the chapter and some from our discussions).
On the stacked dado - I am reminded that in addition to the Warning in the chapter about having the arbor shaft flush with or extending past the arbor nut, it is possible to have too much shaft extending past the nut. Nick recommended that we build our dado stacks on the arbor from the "outside-in" meaning that if the width of the dado stack allows, you should place the wide spacer on the arbor first. This decreases the possibilities of interference between the end of the arbor shaft and the table tie bar shield on some set-ups.
Continuous learning - As I was reviewing the text and photos in chapter 3, I was glad that I had already read chapters 1 & 2. Being fairly new at woodworking and the Shopsmith in particular, I realize that it is really important for me to remember and apply what was learned in the previous chapters before diving right in to the joints in chapter 3.
Other resources - Chuck, I had completely forgotten about the training course that came with my Shopsmith. I found it safely tucked into a three ring binder. Thanks for the reminder.
I'm on to chapter 4.
Best regards to all,
Dennis
Sorry, I am still running a bit behind in my reading. Chapter 3 is a good chapter! I have learned a few things and been reminded of a few others (some frome the chapter and some from our discussions).
On the stacked dado - I am reminded that in addition to the Warning in the chapter about having the arbor shaft flush with or extending past the arbor nut, it is possible to have too much shaft extending past the nut. Nick recommended that we build our dado stacks on the arbor from the "outside-in" meaning that if the width of the dado stack allows, you should place the wide spacer on the arbor first. This decreases the possibilities of interference between the end of the arbor shaft and the table tie bar shield on some set-ups.
Continuous learning - As I was reviewing the text and photos in chapter 3, I was glad that I had already read chapters 1 & 2. Being fairly new at woodworking and the Shopsmith in particular, I realize that it is really important for me to remember and apply what was learned in the previous chapters before diving right in to the joints in chapter 3.
Other resources - Chuck, I had completely forgotten about the training course that came with my Shopsmith. I found it safely tucked into a three ring binder. Thanks for the reminder.
I'm on to chapter 4.
Best regards to all,
Dennis