Is this one of the last 10ER's?

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Is this one of the last 10ER's?

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Hi, new to the forums here, and new to ShopSmith as well. Never used one, but looking forward to discovering what it can do.

I was recently gifted a Model 10ER. The pictures tell the story, but suffice it to say it needs a little TLC. I'd kinda like to restore it, add to it with more accessories, etc., and USE it! Is this one of the last 10ER's made? I read elsewhere that this model was discontinued some time in 1953, and the photo of the Guarantee tag that was attached with wire to the stand would indicate its possible sales date, 12/11/1953.

I'm guessing that ShopSmith didn't include Craftsman motors on their machines, riiiight? The one attached to this unit is a 3/4 HP capacitor motor (Type-CYBK17, Model # 1157167) usually found on vintage Craftsman table saws, and I have no idea what happened to the original. At least this one works well!

I don't have a manual, receipt, or any other documentation. I've checked with the friend that gave it to me, and he said he got it from his brother who got it from someone else. He's checking with his brother to see if he has any other info on its original owner and will get back to me when he knows more.

I'll sniff around in the Maintenance and Repair section of the forum for restoration help, and start checking out ebay for a manual. Are they even available in book form anymore, or is it just best to print one out if I can find a pdf copy?

Anyway, this forum looks like the place for all things ShopSmith! So glad I found it, and look forward to contributing when I can.

Cheers!

Mike

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Re: Is this one of the last 10ER's?

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MiketheWino,

Welcome to the Shopsmith Forum.

Below is a picture of the highest serial number for a Model 10ER that I have owned. It is currently waiting to be restored.

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The highest serial number I have seen for a Model 10ER is 102499 and that should be very close to the end of production.

Unless you are wanting to get an original printed copy of the Owner's guide for your Model 10ER don't waste your money buying a copy on ebay. The actual Owner's Guide that would have come from the factory was dated MAR 53. In the Maintenance and Repair section in the topic Shopsmith Large Format Drawings, Illustrations and More is a link to Everett's Google Drive where you can find a restored PDF of a Model 10ER manual to use. It will be one of the topics at the top of the Maintenance and Repair page. Even though the Model 10ER Owner's Guide found on Everett' s Google Drive is an earlier version the operation will be the same and only some parts will differ which will not be a problem as yours would be interchangeable with the earlier parts shown in the parts diagram.

Another useful topic in the Maintenance and Repair section is Everything E / ER Technical info, documentation, links which has a lot of good reference materials for repairing and restoring the Model 10E and 10ER. Understand that not all links work any longer due to updates to the Shopsmith website over the years. This will also be found at the top of the page.

Here in the Community section is the topic Shopsmith Model 10's What When and Where which has a lot of information about them. You can find it at the link below.

viewtopic.php?t=23647

The Shopsmith Model 10E and 10ER was sold with or without a motor. I have had one with a Craftsman motor.

Even though your Model 10ER is about 72 years old and they were discontinued about that long ago I have some good news for you. Some accessories like arbors, chucks and spindles made today for the current Shopsmith Mark 7 can be used on your Model 10ER. If, for example, you were missing the Lathe Drive (I see yours in the picture) you can buy a new one from Shopsmith for use on your Model 10ER. The only changes made to it through the years are the set screw size changed in 1954 and the black protective coating was added beginning in 1964.
Russ

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All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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Re: Is this one of the last 10ER's?

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chapmanruss,

Thanks for the info! I figured it was close to the end of the run...merely 1700 or so beyond this one, eh?

What a cool gift from my friend! He checked with his brother who had acquired it previously, but he couldn't provide any more details as to who the original owner was or where it was purchased. Fun stuff to know, but not available in this case.

So, it's possible this unit came without a "Shopsmith" motor, and the buyer put the Craftsman one one it post-purchase. That would gibe...the model of the motor indicates it's about that age. Cool!

I'll check out the other topics you mentioned, along with Everett's google drive soon, but what I'm most curious about off the top is whether or not there's any band saw attachments still available that will work with this machine. Maybe also a jointer, and definitely the speed changer. It also needs a new belt, like the original. Time to peruse all those doc's!

Anyway, thanks again. I'm sure I'll be back with questions, and to post refurbishing photos!

Mike
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Re: Is this one of the last 10ER's?

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I'm not an expert on this model but I believe you will need certain adapters to run either the bandsaw or the jointer off of this. The original adapters are rare. A few years ago there was a guy making new versions. He might still be. Others will likely chime in.
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MiketheWino wrote: Fri Aug 08, 2025 8:32 pm …what I'm most curious about off the top is whether or not there's any band saw attachments still available that will work with this machine. Maybe also a jointer, and definitely the speed changer.
Congrats on getting your first machine! Any Magna/Shopsmith bandsaw can mount on your 10ER, but you need the right adapter. This link can provide you some insights into how Magna solved this back in the day.

http://vintagemachinery.org/pubs/detail.aspx?id=2710

Unfortunately, these accessories are very hard to come by and very expensive, but modern substitutes have been developed. A reversible motor would make the operation easier, as you’ll otherwise need to run off the back side of the headstock, requiring a modified headstock pulley.

And speaking of motors, the one that was added to your machine isn’t ideally configured for 10ER use - a stock motor would have the vent holes on the lower half of the motor housing to avoid having excessive sawdust drop in and clog up the motor. It’ll absolutely work, just not optimal…
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This might be of interest.
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Re: Is this one of the last 10ER's?

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The picture below is of an A. O. Smith 1/2 HP Motor. It is the standard motor that came with most of the Model 10E and 10ER Shopsmith's sold with a motor included. It has the vent holes facing down which helps keep dust and debris out of the motor.
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The Craftsman Motor you have will work fine but I would recommend adding a shield over the motor to help keep falling dust and debris out. A simple piece of sheet metal attached between the motor and the Motor Mount on the Quill end would suffice. Most Motors made back then were used for bench top things like grinding wheels, etc. The normal arrangement for these motors was to have the vent holes facing down with the Motor Mount on the bench. This bench top use is the reason you find a switch on the Motor Base on many of them. Shafts on both ends of the Motor was also common. A. O. Smith made the Motors for the Model 10E and 10ER with the vent holes facing down with the Motor Mount being on the top of the Motor.

Most of my 24 Model 10E and 10ER restorations I have done along with the 3 I have waiting to be finished have had the A. O. Smith 1/2 HP Motor shown above. Two have had an earlier A. O. Smith 1/2 HP Motor (shown below) and a few were the A. O. Smith 3/4HP Motor. I have had Craftsman, Montgomery Ward and GE Motors. One Model 10E came with a much newer Motor and at 1 HP was a beast. That early A. O. Smith 1/2 HP Motor below has the switch in the base used for bench mount motors.

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Just for fun the picture below shows how versitle the Shopsmith can be.

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Dad is doing some sawing, the son is doing a bit of sanding, the daughter is putting a new coat of paint on the Wagon and mom is buffing the car to a bright shine. Don't forget there will be fresh ice cream when everybody is done with their work. :D
Russ

Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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Re: Is this one of the last 10ER's?

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Thanks to everyone for the great information! Probably going to start the restore process this winter when my outdoor projects get put on hold. :D
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Mike,

You had mentioned about possibly of getting a Bandsaw, Jointer and Speed Changer at some point for your Model 10ER. As has been mentioned all are possible.

The Speed Changer was made for the Model 10's and adds speeds above and below those you are able to get with the fixed pulleys. Buying a Speed Changer only is usually a bit spendy. All of the Speed Changers I have had came on Model 10's I have purchased and many cheaper for the whole thing than buying a Speed Changer alone.

Near the end of their production the Model 4E Jointer was introduced for the Model 10's. It used a special Headrest to mount it on along with a different Motor Pulley setup. You can see the Model 4E Jointer below on my Model 10ER along with the Speed Changer.

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The Model 4E Jointer mounting is specific to the Model 10's. The chart on the bench is the Speed Changer Speed Chart. Even when the Mark 5 came out and the Jointer changed from the Model 4E to the Model 620 adding the mounting Posts for the Mark 5 it was still able to use the Model 10 Headrest Mounting Kit. When the Jointer changed to the Model 620C it no longer had the mounting holes for the Model 10 Headrest Mounting kit.

Although not one you specifically mentioned an earlier major accessory was made for the Model 10's as the A-34 Jig Saw. It attaches to the Headstock and uses the Main Table for its Table. This doesn't require any changes to the Model 10E or 10ER to use.

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It was after the introduction of the Mark 5 in 1954 and the Model 610 Jig Saw (shown below) later that year, that the first Adapter was made to use on the Model 10's to mount the new Add-A-Tools (later called SPT's) made for the Mark 5. As more SPT's were added the second Power-Mount Adapter Kit, previously referenced, was made.
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Using a Bandsaw on a Model 10E or 10ER requires a mounting bracket and a way to power it like the special Headstock Pulley from the Power-Mount Adapter Kit. A reversing motor as previously mentioned would allow you to mount the Bandsaw on the Quill side of the Headstock and attach a Power Coupler Hub to the Spindle.

The Power Mount Adapter Kit 11 920 below includes the "A" Adapter (left), the "B" Adapter (Mid), the special Headstock Pulley with Power Coupler Hub and 2 longer Jointer Mounting Posts. The original Adapter Kit only included the "A" Adapter. Both Kits included instructions.

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There are other options for powering SPT's. One is the Power Stand Shopsmith sold which would have a pulley set specific to an SPT mounted on it. Another is the Power Station which can be used for many of the SPT's. It cannot be used for the Mark Mount Planer and I don't recommend it for the Jointer due to its top RPM being lower than the normal RPM's when used on a Mark 5. A Power Station is shown below. Other options for powering SPT's can be less expensive than the Power-Mount Adapter Kit shown above. Many have built their own stands.

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As I said about getting a Speed Changer with a Model 10 for sale the same holds true for other items mentioned above. I have 2 Model 4E Jointers with the Headrest and Motor Pulley sets I purchased with Model 10's. I received a complete Power Mount Adapter Kit 11 920 with a Model 10 I purchased for restoration. These were all purchases near me found on craigslist. After restoring the Model 10 I sell them and keep the special items. In most cases I can sell the Restored tool with what it would have come with from the factory minus those "extras" for enough to cover my costs. I mention that they are near me since you list the Pacific NW as your location.
Russ

Mark V completely upgraded to Mark 7
Mark V 520
All SPT's, 2 Power Stations & Crafter's Station
Model 10ER S/N R64000 first one I restored on bench w/ metal ends & retractable casters.
Has Speed Changer, 4E Jointer, Jig Saw with lamp, a complete set of original accessories & much more.
Model 10E's S/N's 1076 & 1077 oldest ones I have restored. Mark 2 S/N 85959 restored.
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"The Power Station ...[is not recommended] for the Jointer." My rabbit-trail reading habit justifies itself again (I don't have a 10ER, so why am I spending time reading about 'em...other than they are a cool piece of Americana!). Thanks, Russ. I'll leave my bandsaw semi-permanently attached to the Power Station.
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