mid-'50s shopsmith disassembling and cleaning -- help

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A lot of us use 3 in 1 Oil. I have no idea what the difference is.
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I'd try an Ace Hardware for the turbine oil.

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edward wrote:Pics are great. Any recommendations on oil for lubricating? Bill said a turbine oil, but I can't find it.
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I was unable to find the turbine oil anywhere locally. I ordered it from Shopsmith on March 11 and received it on the 13th. Who says Friday the 13th isn't a lucky day.

Item # is 522053 They call it Zoom Spout Oiler. The bottle label calls it Turbine oil. The spout on that little bottle pulls waaay out. You can reach anywhere you want to with it. $3.04 each. Such a deal and terrific service to boot. fjimp:D
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I'm just going with the three-in-one for now. Need to get this thing working this weekend. I'm going to finish cleaning today, and the try to press those bearings, beginning with motor. If the motor sounds good I'll move on to the rest.

Still wondering if anyone has a diagram of the wiring on 3/4 hp greenie motor. Thanks folks.
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The oil used by HVAC folks to oil motor bearings is sometimes referred to as 'turbine' oil. Three in one is similar(but with its distinctive 'perfume'). The 'zoom spout' bottle is common with these folks also. I got my bottle at Do It Best hardware. SS used to say #10 weight.
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edward wrote:I'm just going with the three-in-one for now. Need to get this thing working this weekend. I'm going to finish cleaning today, and the try to press those bearings, beginning with motor. If the motor sounds good I'll move on to the rest.

Still wondering if anyone has a diagram of the wiring on 3/4 hp greenie motor. Thanks folks.
Hopefully you can follow this picture for the wiring. The motor # is the same as yours.

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Motor Diagram

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Edward - I apologize for the delay in this.....got hammered into the ground with work.

There should be 3 wires coming out of the motor: yellow, brown, and black. I may be off on the dark colors because I'm working in a shop area with one fluorescent fixture.

The colors for the power cord are from the original 1956 cord. Your new cord, I'm guessing, is white, black and green. White=tan, black=black, and green gets a spade connector and is attached to one of the bolts that hold the motor together.

When I pulled mine apart, I marked the capacitor lug that runs from relay connector 1 to the capacitor with a "+" sign. You obviously didn't do that.:p Since this is all AC, it shouldn't matter which capacitor connector is used, but I'm not a electrical engineer ( just know enough to be dangerous :rolleyes: ). I'm calling on this forum to weigh in here and confirm this.

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The drawing matches the pix. The capacitor is non-polarized, therefore terminal polarity doesn't matter. Wire colors seem to vary. pix motor leads appear to be white/blue/brown or red. Jumper between relay and capacitor appears to be black.
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JPG40504 wrote:The drawing matches the pix. The capacitor is non-polarized, therefore terminal polarity doesn't matter. Wire colors seem to vary. pix motor leads appear to be white/blue/brown or red. Jumper between relay and capacitor appears to be black.
So glad to have an electrical engineer in the group!

How come there is a capacitor on the motor? What's the relay do?
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Edward,

Make sure to go see my thread on using the Harbor Freight Puller for your bearing install.

http://www.shopsmith.net/forums/showthread.htm?t=3192
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