mid-'50s shopsmith disassembling and cleaning -- help

edward · Post by **edward** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:30 pm

My bearing supplier is saying that there's no quality difference between C1 and C3 -- those are just date designations. Does anyone know what this is about?

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 5:34 pm

mickyd wrote:This one??

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If yes, yes. If no, ?????:eek:

NO!
Upper left on the RELAY Mike.

mickyd · Post by **mickyd** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:18 pm

JPG40504 wrote:NO!
Upper left on the RELAY Mike.

We must see "upper left" differently.

My upper left is truly upper left. Your upper left is somewhere else:D

The only cover over the relay (also goes over the capacitor) is a paper cover that goes between a holding bracket (not shown in the pic) and the relay / capacitor. The holding bracket screws into the raised boss in the approximate center of the back starter cover with a ~2" ~#8 hex slot machine screw.

Acceptable answer now grasshopper?? If not, we'll have to define x-y coordinates for the photo to narrow down where your "upper left' is.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 6:51 pm

mickyd wrote: We must see "upper left" differently. My upper left is truly upper left. Your upper left is somewhere else:D

The only cover over the relay (also goes over the capacitor) is a paper cover that goes between a holding bracket (not shown in the pic) and the relay / capacitor. The holding bracket screws into the raised boss in the approximate center of the back starter cover with a ~2" ~#8 hex slot machine screw.

Acceptable answer now grasshopper?? If not, we'll have to define x-y coordinates for the photo to narrow down where your "upper left' is.

Your upper left refers to the entire picture, my upper left was referring to the relay. Is this 'upper left' now?
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Sorry about focus, best I could taking pix of your pix off lcd screen.

This screw was put there for a reason. I assume it is to hold the RELAY COVER on(not cover it up/insulate it). Try taking the screw loose and see if the relay innards are suddenly accessable. Look for whatever returns the movable contacts back to OPEN position. My thinking is to try and increase the spring tension so as to MAYBE solve the 'clicking' described elsewhere.

BTW see post #119!

P.S. changed 'closed' to 'OPEN'.

bucksaw · Post by **bucksaw** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 7:05 pm

JPG40504 wrote:Your upper left refers to the entire picture, my upper left was referring to the relay. Is this 'upper left' now?
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Sorry about focus, best I could taking pix of your pix off lcd screen.

This screw was put there for a reason. I assume it is to hold the RELAY COVER on(not cover it up/insulate it). Try taking the screw loose and see if the relay innards are suddenly accessable. Look for whatever returns the movable contacts back to closed position. My thinking is to try and increase the spring tension so as to MAYBE solve the 'clicking' described elsewhere.

BTW see post #119!

I'll be installing the new relay I picked up tonight. If it works I'm going to attempt to take the old relay apart. I'll let you know.

mickyd · Post by **mickyd** » Thu Mar 19, 2009 8:26 pm

JPG40504 wrote:Your upper left refers to the entire picture, my upper left was referring to the relay. Is this 'upper left' now?
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As my signature says...."I see said the blind man to his deaf wife....":) Now I see exactly where your thoughts were when you typed your original question. That's scary now isn't it!! I'll leave it at that.

Language is a difficult thing to relay sometimes. Typed messages are even worse. Reminds me of when, as a youth, I was attempting to let my hair grow down over my ears. My dad, being a police captain, wanted no part of this son having "long hair" but I was SLOWLY getting away with it ( 1/4" then 3/8" and so on) and I was PROUD OF IT. I went to get my haircut and I said to the barber that I wanted it 1/2" over my ears. Well, my 1/2" over my ears was DOWN, OVER my ear. Barbers 1/2" over was UP OVER my ears!!! Looked like an idiot when I went to school the next day. I'll never forget it and I learned a good lesson in life...language is something that you can NEVER master. Now that we type info to others, that's compounded by 1000.

Anyway, before I ramble, I have to go work on my shopsmith. Sanding all the aluminum parts so that I can paint this weekend.

Your picture was very good, blurry and all. Had you provided that a couple of messages ago, I would have saved 15 minutes of my life. Instead, I sit here typing.

Gotta go.

p.s. bucksay....start a new thread on your evaluation. We are way too deep into this thread for anyone to find it and I know that it is an important subject that needs it's own thread. Searching can be painful in this an most any forum. See ya.

bucksaw · Post by **bucksaw** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:25 am

bucksaw wrote:I'll be installing the new relay I picked up tonight. If it works I'm going to attempt to take the old relay apart. I'll let you know.

Installed the new relay. Same size and mount. Worked just fine.

Started new thread

bucksaw · Post by **bucksaw** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 12:53 am

JPG40504 wrote:Your upper left refers to the entire picture, my upper left was referring to the relay. Is this 'upper left' now?
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Sorry about focus, best I could taking pix of your pix off lcd screen.

This screw was put there for a reason. I assume it is to hold the RELAY COVER on(not cover it up/insulate it). Try taking the screw loose and see if the relay innards are suddenly accessable. Look for whatever returns the movable contacts back to OPEN position. My thinking is to try and increase the spring tension so as to MAYBE solve the 'clicking' described elsewhere.

BTW see post #119!

P.S. changed 'closed' to 'OPEN'.

The screw on the relay allows you to remove the cover on the relay. Just removing the cover will not break anything.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 1:58 am

bucksaw wrote:The screw on the relay allows you to remove the cover on the relay. Just removing the cover will not brake anything. If you mess with the point adjustments inside you might ruin the relay.

Changing the way it functions IS the point. Now that you have determined a 'new' replacement IS available, the risk is acceptable. However why bother if a new one WILL fix it!:)

dusty · Post by **dusty** » Fri Mar 20, 2009 8:00 am

Bill Mayo suggested that the position of the relay might cause the clicking (relay drop out). Has that possibility been confirmed; the relay might not be bad at all.