Ptwfe - Chapter 7, - Drill Press

charlese · Post by **charlese** » Thu Mar 26, 2009 11:25 pm

Here in Lancaster, I can buy from a large assortment of flathead wood screws at Lowe's. When in Home Depot today, a woman shopper asked me for help in locating wood screws. You know what? They didn't have any! However they had a huge assortment of Dry Wall Screws.

reible · Post by **reible** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 12:45 am

While we are still on the subject I wanted to point out a few things that are not in the chapter but still good things to know.

First here is a ream for using tapered pins, ream on the right pin on the left. You drill an undersized hole the ream to size. This ream is tapered but they also make reams that are straight. They are often used in metal work but can be used in wood for such things as thru dowel holes etc.
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We have talked about this before but in case you missed it these are examples of chucks that allow you to use drill bits that are undersized for the chuck on the shopsmith. This is only two examples but this should give you the idea of what they look like and why you might want to own one. The chapter says the lower limit is 3/64". So any bits below that size will need something to chuck it.
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This next set of bits have steps so you can drill many size hole with just one bit. As can be seen they are limited as to the material thickness but they work well for project boxes like bud boxes and the likes. Sheet metal and even some what thicker stock can be drilled like wise. These are often sold as a pair of bits but the set I have came with 3 bits.
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I have drilled glass two ways. One is using a tube that has a notch cut in it and you build a puddy dam with a floating abrasive in it and "drill" away. The second way is with one of these glass drills. I'll not go into details as this one pictured is a few years old and more modern versions are likely available. Just wanted you to know that a shopsmith can even drill glass.
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Next we have a circle cutter. This is the third one of these I've purchased, two of them didn't last long and were not so nice to use and cheap. This one was if I recall right just under $30. These come in different sizes as far as how small they will cut and how large they will cut, if I recall this cuts up to a 7" hole. Before I get any farther this will require that you have a speed reducer... top speed is about 500 rpm. Some people might call this a fly cutter you can look that up if you wish for some added education.

These have replacement blades and the blade also reverses so you can get set sized hole in material or have a cut out that is sized. Confused? The cutter has one face that is straight and leaves a straight wall where it is cutting, the other part of the cutter has an angle to it and leaves a that pattern at the end of the cut. If you can't picture that leave a message and I post a picture of how that looks.
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Ed

reible · Post by **reible** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:17 am

After thinking of it I thought I better post a picture of what the hole looks like after the circle cutter makes a cut. Note that the part that is removed is the good piece and what is pictured is the scrap. Had I wanted this piece as the finished part I would have reversed the cutter.
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This is what I use most of the time for counter sinking. If you have viewed some of my projects that I have posted picture of you will have seen these already. For those who have not seen them, well now you have.
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These bits are no longer made by stanley but if you see a set at a garage sale BUY them after checking to see they are in working order. They are not for hardwood and if you want to know a bit (get it... bit) more about them in there current version go to:
http://www.leevalley.com/wood/page.aspx ... 2240,53317

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This brings us to a few more bits you might or might not know about. If you look next to the tape measure you will see a 16" spade bit and next to that a 12" twist drill. Can't say if you will ever need or want them but exposure to them can't hurt.

You can also see some larger bits... above the tape measure. These are not something you need for your shopsmith but what I wanted to point out was that the normal looking twist I use for deburring smaller holes. This was a trick I learned in my machine shop days. The second bit with the MT2 will fit in the tail stock and if you wanted to use the lathe mode and spin the stock the drill will drill.
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I've got some more stuff for maybe tomorrow...

Ed

dlbristol · Post by **dlbristol** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:19 am

Nice work. Again, the information available here is so good. I learned a lot. As a former teacher, I appreciate the way you tie the info we already had with some new info. That is called good teaching, and it is not all that easy to do or find. Thanks.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 11:56 am

dlbristol wrote:Nice work. Again, the information available here is so good. I learned a lot. As a former teacher, I appreciate the way you tie the info we already had with some new info. That is called good teaching, and it is not all that easy to do or find. Thanks.

One could also describe it as unselfish sharing of uncommon good sense! (And a well stocked tool box) Thanks Ed:)

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:18 pm

charlese wrote:Here in Lancaster, I can buy from a large assortment of flathead wood screws at Lowe's. When in Home Depot today, a woman shopper asked me for help in locating wood screws. You know what? They didn't have any! However they had a huge assortment of Dry Wall Screws.

Chuck
The huge assortment of dry wall screws is what I finding everywhere. It seems they are becoming the normal accepted wood screw. Most dry wall screws have a shoulder that is equal or smaller than the thread diameter and most have what is called a trumpet head (the slope or angle of the head). Trumpet head are excellent for dry wall but will split wood in a heart beat.

Also I find with a slightly smaller shoulder there can be and often is movement.

I have never been one for internet or Catalog shopping (shopsmith being my one exception) but I'm guessing I will have to start purchasing screws online.

I have heard good and bad about Mcfeely's which seems to be the go to internet supplier. Any feedback? Any other options?
I have found myself using more and more Kreg screws. Does McFeely offer quality drill bits to go with their screws? I know there are many places that offer drill bits but few offer quality.

lv2wdwrk · Post by **lv2wdwrk** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:30 pm

Ed in Tampa wrote:Chuck
The huge assortment of dry wall screws is what I finding everywhere. It seems they are becoming the normal accepted wood screw. Most dry wall screws have a shoulder that is equal or smaller than the thread diameter and most have what is called a trumpet head (the slope or angle of the head). Trumpet head are excellent for dry wall but will split wood in a heart beat.

Also I find with a slightly smaller shoulder there can be and often is movement.

I have never been one for internet or Catalog shopping (shopsmith being my one exception) but I'm guessing I will have to start purchasing screws online.

I have heard good and bad about Mcfeely's which seems to be the go to internet supplier. Any feedback? Any other options?
I have found myself using more and more Kreg screws. Does McFeely offer quality drill bits to go with their screws? I know there are many places that offer drill bits but few offer quality.

Ed, here is another online source.

http://www.screw-products.com

Have not ordered anything, but they offer a wide variety of screws.

Ed in Tampa · Post by **Ed in Tampa** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 1:54 pm

lv2wdwrk wrote:Ed, here is another online source.

http://www.screw-products.com

Have not ordered anything, but they offer a wide variety of screws.

Thanks I checked out their site, looks interesting. I wonder about star drives. I have seen many cases made for square drive but I haven't seen one for star drive. I will check it out. Thanks again

lv2wdwrk · Post by **lv2wdwrk** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 2:13 pm

Ed in Tampa wrote:Thanks I checked out their site, looks interesting. I wonder about star drives. I have seen many cases made for square drive but I haven't seen one for star drive. I will check it out. Thanks again

Star looks a lot like Torx. Don't know if they are the same. Sure someone here can answer that.

JPG · Post by **JPG** » Sat Mar 28, 2009 3:02 pm

lv2wdwrk wrote:Star looks a lot like Torx. Don't know if they are the same. Sure someone here can answer that.

Do not know the answer, but the following may be clues: Do they have the same # of 'points'? Do they sell/provide you with a 'matching driver bit'? A no to the first and a yes to the second would indicate they are NOT torx.